Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ebba von Sydow

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Jersey Devil 02:12, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ebba von Sydow

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Not notable as per WP:BIO. Yamla 17:24, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Speedy Corpx 17:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete lacks idependent sources, speedy is fine since the claim to notability reads as hype. Guy (Help!) 22:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - if only to kick against the anglophone systemic bias. I've removed the hype and sourced it a bit: interesting family background, and chief editor of a notable Swedish mag that's been running since the 1930s. Tearlach 02:10, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Yamla: just saw the context at Talk:Ebba von Sydow. Thanks. They're a NN bunch generally, but I think she has a bit more interest. Tearlach 03:12, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, I'd happily speedy if not for Yamla's request. Non-notable editor of a non-notable magazine, sources cited aren't near enough, and notability is not inherited. Seraphimblade Talk to me 03:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I wonder if you'd come to the same conclusion if it were an American magazine run by a Kennedy. VeckoRevyn has a far longer pedigree than many others already here: see List of women's magazines. Tearlach 10:53, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep I strongly agree with Tearlach, not only the relation to important and well known public figures in Swedish society but also the fact the she is involved in a well known publication makes this article valid for inclusion. The afd and comments appear to be very biased. If she was from the US or the UK and in a similar position this article would most likely not have been nominated. According to the nominators userpage the nominator is a native english speaker, leading me to assume that Ebba von Sydow would not be notable to the nominator. However the fact that she is notable to at least 2 million Swedes does indeed in my opinion make the article worth keeping. It's also in my belief that the article fits very well withing the critera of Creative Professionals as stated in WP:BIO. I also think that each article should be judged by it's on merit not on what the creator may have had deleted in the past. Sweboi 23:11, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Please note that Sweboi (talk · contribs) has only five edits in the Wikipedia article space. Furthermore, please note that I, the nominator, do not live in the U.S. and am not a U.S. citizen. However, I am also not a Swedish citizen. --Yamla 23:21, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Note also that the Swedish edition of Elle outsells Vecko Revyn in Sweden while the Swedish edition of Cosmopolitan trails. We have no article on the editor of Elle (that is, the international edition, not the editor for the Swedish version) but we do have an article for the editor of the international edition of Cosmopolitan (though again, not for the Swedish edition). This random sample indicates to me that being the editor of a magazine is not necessarily sufficient grounds for notability but may contribute to notability. That this magazine is apparently not notable enough for a Wikipedia article and that no other claim of notability exists in the article makes me believe my nomination was appropriate. Note that no claims as per WP:BIO (creative professionals section) are made in the article itself. --Yamla 23:32, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
      • I am in no way trying to make out that user A is from country B or anything like it, I am trying to point out that certain personalities may not be well known outside a certain geographic area. However they can be very influential inside that area. I would also like to point out that even though I am a Swedish citizen I have spent the majority of my life elsewhere. Sweboi 00:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
      • I also fail to see the validity in the argument that sales figures of a publication determines how well known the publication or it's editor is. There are several examples both historical and present of publications that for example are so despicable and vial in content and opinion that they do not sell in larger numbers, they are however well known for being just that, despicable and vial. Hence their editors would also be well known for their contributions, positive or not. I am not saying that the publication in question, or it's editor is good or bad, I am merely pointing out that the sales figures of the magazine in question does not necessarily contribute to the editors notability or lack thereof. Several other factors weigh into the equation of notability. In this case I think that there is a certain amount of notability in this article as pointed out by Tearlach. Sweboi 00:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong keep. Very famous person, noted for her columns on fashion and the author of a recent book receiving considerable press coverage. As pointed out by Tearlach, there is no way a person of similar notability in the US or UK would be deleted from Wikipedia.JdeJ 03:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. The referenced articles seem to satisfy her WP:BIO criteria of being the subject of an article in a secondary source. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 21:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    • I'd also like to request that voters restrict their commentary to the notability of the article itself, and refrain from making this a debate about perceived ethnocentrism of Wikipedia or making assumptions about other voters. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 21:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. I'm sorry: I overstepped the mark, and got into the area of WP:NPA. But I do think regional/anglocentric bias is something we all need to bear in mind. Tearlach 23:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Absolutely no intention to make assumptions about other voters, just used the comparison to make it clear that the person is notable. If anybody perceived it as criticism of their contributions, I offer my sincerest apologies. Nothing of the kind was intended, but I should have worded my post better. JdeJ 17:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Very famous in Sweden. Vints 09:23, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge & redirect to one of her famous relatives, since she pretty much fails WP:BIO. >Radiant< 12:10, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  • keep - no, she passes WP:BIO. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad 01:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.