Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eastern Hungarian Kingdom

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. W.marsh 15:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eastern Hungarian Kingdom

Delete as per WP:OR. No such term "Eastern Hungarian Kingdom" exists, except for probably some obscure, frustrated pseudo-historians and irredentist. Wikipedia should not be the means by which some, after coining all sorts of terms, make them popular. Avaring 22:09, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Speedy empty page now. Just H 22:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it redirected to Partium, where the term is used in a very dodgy way. Not only that by it`s use, the author attempts to present erroneous facts, and set the base for a future development of this spurious term, but it even redirects to itself. Avaring 22:16, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe this page:Wikipedia:Resolving disputes is also inexistent for you, right? I therefore call up on you to restore the deleted entry and start a negotiation on its discussion page...--fz22 23:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Speedy close and take up on redirects for deletion. --Dhartung | Talk 23:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy close this was never an article, per se, it was a redirect. I left a message on the nominator's talk page on how to deal with an RfD rather than an AfD. SkierRMH 00:29, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - Since then it turned into an article... Delete as per WP:OR, WP:V (article 1), WP:NOT#SOAP, WP:NOT#OTHOUGHT, etc. Avaring 09:55, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Google Test - 6 results: two of which are Wikipedia mirrors, and the rest of them are about a certain chapter From the Eastern Hungarian Kingdom to the Principality of Transylvania, from a shady online book. Avaring 10:25, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
This online book actually is not shady, it was published by the Hungarian Academy of Sciences. However, I agree with deletion. See my comments below. Cserlajos (talk) (contribs) 17:22, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete From my last look it was changed from a redirect to an article. As an article it is unsourced. And not wanting to get in the middle of a dispute (I have absolutely no opinion about this subject), it appears that this might be coming from the discussions/arguments about Transylvania, Oradea, and related articles. My g-research is similar to Avaring's and agree with WP:V specifically. SkierRMH 02:27, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - or complete rewrite. There was nothing such as "Eastern Hungarian Kingdom", just a "Principality of Transylvania". At least, I don't know the "Keleti-Magyar Királyság" (E.H. Kingd.). Posibbly it refers to John Zápolya's rule over the eastern part of the Kingdom of Hungary? Maybe yes, but it is not as important to have a distinct article about the subject (in this form). Should be incorporated to the article about the Principality of Transylvania. Cserlajos (talk) (contribs) 17:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep it there are no less and more important articles in an Encyclopeida. This term is widely accepted and used by Hungarian historians. Between John I's death and the formation of the Principality of Transylvania the administration of the eastern part of the former Kingdom was not abandoned. --fz22 17:54, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
  1. [[1]] (junky google??)
  2. Szabó, Péter: Az erdélyi fejedelemség (History of the Principality of Transylvania) , Tudomány - Egyetem sorozat, Kulturtrade Kiadó, Bp., 1999
  3. etc. etc: [[2]]--fz22 00:17, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - for reasons already issued by Avaring and Cserlajos. Daizus 22:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete — per WP:V. Wizardman 17:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.