Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/East Side Dave

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus (marginal keep). fishhead64 00:08, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] East Side Dave

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This biography has no sources and contains derogatory personal information - "...notable for his...notorious boasts, alcoholism, and outlandish claims". The subject is a non-notable radio show character/associate producer. Will Beback · † · 01:49, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - No assertion of notability, no sources.--Bryson^{{Talk}{Edits}} 02:25, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, fails WP:V, WP:BIO. For all the assertions, this fellow has only a hundred Ghits [1], which is a startlingly low total for a purported major radio personality. Just plain no evidence of notability.  RGTraynor  13:59, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - Many statements were made on air on the XM program and are difficult to document, although they can be cited to be direct quotes from the broadcast, personally I've heard verification of all but the hot dog vendor background information. I have added some cites to the entry to confirm the most outlandish claims and more are forthcoming. Noderose 17:29, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

• Comment: I'm afraid that statements made on the air don't qualify as "independent" sources with proven fact-checking. If no reliable, independent, published sources are available, then this fellow just doesn't clear the verification and notability bars.  RGTraynor  17:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. Fails WP:BIO, not notable. Realkyhick 19:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - I think the article needs major cleanup, and probably should be brought down to a paragraph or two (removing all the comedy bits and show humor). But he is a producer & on air talent of a notable radio show (XM & FreeFM). --Bill.matthews 19:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Can we find a source or two which establish that this person is notable? He's not a star of the show. -Will Beback · † · 19:26, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
    • No, he's not the star, but I would say he has a 'significant role' in the radio show, and even a 'a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.' (per [WP:BIO]] Special Cases: Entertainers) --Bill.matthews 19:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
      • Good. If he has a significant cult following then we should be able to document it. -Will Beback · † · 19:52, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
        • If you want documentation, the closest I can think of off of the top of my head is one of the multitude of websites. I would list them but I'm not sure that that would be allowed. Suffice it to say that a Google search of either "Ron and Fez" or "Opie and Anthony" should produce more than enough results. There are three or four major websites devoted to the show, as well as five or six other minor/B-Level sites. If it would be allowed to name the websites for the purposes of research and confirmation, please let me know. DestradoZero 18:40, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
          • As for confirmation of his cult following, if there was a way to find out how many people have Dave Identification Cards, that would probably suffice. It amounts to a fan club specifically for Dave. I don't know where you'd find out the number but fans often identify with their Dave ID Card number when calling the show. Noderose 21:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
            • There are certainly ghits for the show, but there aren't many ghits for the radio personality named "East Side Dave". [2] Numeorus mentions in a fan forum don't establish notability. -Will Beback · † · 22:06, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Looks like just a guy doing his job. Just because his job is on the radio, doesn't make him notable. It does not look like he has done anything that a million other radio sidekicks have done. - BierHerr 02:13, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Like certain radio shows, he is one of the on-air personalities as well as simply being a producer. He has been integral to quite a few of Ron and Fez's ongoing bits. If you listen to the show, you know who he is simply because he takes part in SO MUCH of the show. He isn't a sidekick/producer in the manner of the majority of radio talk shows. He should be kept because of his prominence within the show, without a doubt. DestradoZero 18:36, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. Fails WP:BIO. Indrian 06:23, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
• done anything that a million other radio sidekicks have done. - BierHerr 02:13, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per DestradoZero --Whackbagger 20:38, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.