Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/East Middle School

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. WjBscribe 23:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] East Middle School

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not notable, nothing distingushing, poorly writen article Ttttrrrreeeeyyyyyy 23:06, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

• Keep Schools are usually allowed on Wikipedia. Poorly writen articles don't warrant deletion. Epbr123 23:32, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

High schools are generaly kept, not middle schoolsTtttrrrreeeeyyyyyy 23:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletions. -- Noroton 00:41, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Abstain(see "Comment on changed !vote" below) Although Trey has just convinced me to change my vote in the deletion dabate about Walnut Creek Middle School (Millcreek, PA) (to delete), I'm inclined to give this school some support, given the interesting history of the nominator. [...]Noroton 00:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Well as I have figured out, wikipedia is a place for selfish wikidrama-queens. I was just trying to be fair. Sorry if I have offended you, Noroton. but Delete this is one of the most un-notable articals I have ever read.Ttttrrrreeeeyyyyyy 01:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I admit I was angry about walnut creek being NfD. But I have taken a stand that all middle schools should be notable.Ttttrrrreeeeyyyyyy 18:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC) I now say no contest

I don't understand your position. Is your opinion is "keep" because of the contribution history of a Wikipedia editor? Sancho (talk) 02:28, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

My position is that the nominator was defending to the death Walnut Creek Middle School (Millcreek, PA), which the nominator created and is scrambling to save while stating here: "High schools are generally kept, not middle schools". I think anyone voting here should ask themselves whether the nominator is violating WP:POINT. I think one good way of not rewarding this [...] behavior is voting to keep. Since editors other than the nominator have voted to delete, WP:Speedy Keep doesn't apply, unfortunately. Noroton 05:17, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

A quote from the Walnut Creek Middle School (Millcreek, PA) deletion discussion:

• Then I suggest you delete Central High School (Erie, Pennsylvania), Harbor Creek School District, William Allen High School, Louis E. Dieruff High School, Emmaus High School, Parkland High School (Allentown, Pennsylvania) , and Whitehall High School (Pennsylvania). None of these schools are notable either. you wikipedians can be cruel sometimes. Ttttrrrreeeeyyyyyy 03:33, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I get the impression [... well, forget my impressions...] I'm changing my vote because I have reason to doubt the editor's motives and don't want to reward the behavior that seems to come from them.Noroton 05:37, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete: neither because it is poorly written (that should have no bearing on a decision for deletion), nor because of the contribution history of Tttrrrreeeeyyyyyy, but because I don't believe the article can satisfy the requirements of Wikipedia:Attribution. "Self-published and questionable sources in articles about themselves" may be used so long as "the article is not based primarily on such sources". In this case, the article is based solely on self-published sources (the school website). Thus, those sources can not be used. Without those sources, this article is left with no sources. Sancho (talk) 02:28, 26 March 2007 (UTC) - uncivil comment (sorry) struck out by Sancho (talk) 06:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:N and WP:A, or WP:RS, whichever one counts nowadays. (I can't keep track.) Also, as I noted in another recent school AfD, these discussions are supposed to be about the content of an article, not its editor -- or nominator, for that matter. I don't want to come off as holier-than, but it's a lot easier to be civil when the topic is an article. (And I'm not referring to Noroton when I say that.) --Butseriouslyfolks 04:48, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep because for this school there is something notable, namely the mural. But it must be documented. Surely it is possible to find a local news account of it. A school or public librarian can help. DGG 05:04, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete No sources and no apparent notability (making it hard/impossible to find any sources). Pax:Vobiscum 13:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
• Merge to Farmington Public School District, which could use expansion (and cleanup, but that's another story). -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 18:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
• Comment on changed !vote After thinking about it and thinking about some of the comments from other editors, I don't think I should be voting one way or the other except on the issue itself (not to do so would always leave room for being manipulated). I'm not going to vote at all on this one. I apologize to Trey and withdraw any statements about Trey's behavior other than to say it's unusual and worth looking at. He's given a plausible explanation, and I'm removing certain words and statements from my comments above and crossing out others (that may make the discussion look a little confusing, but not on anything that bears on the issue of whether to delete. Sorry for the inconvenience, everybody. Noroton 19:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete, even the mural isn't notable. We don't need to cover ever mural to important people. There's a mural in the Engineering center of the University of Colorado at Boulder that lists all the students that graduated there that later became astronauts and what missions they went on. While cool (and aside from the fact that CU is notable for other reasons and known to be an astronaut school), a mural doesn't purport notability. Even coverage of it doesn't help. --MECU≈talk 23:41, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

What's not notable for a university can certainly be notable in a middle school.DGG 21:15, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete or Merge to Farmington Public School District per discussions above. If kept, the article needs to be renamed since this is a common name. Vegaswikian 00:28, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.