Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Earth man

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. - Bobet 19:37, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Earth man

Article reads as spam/advertising. Prod removed by author. Wildthing61476 13:41, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

EarthMan exists in reality as a work of art. It is a non-commercial form of expression on a non-commercial website (nothing is for sale on the linked website http://www.dionlaurent.com and it's pages) EarthMan was created initially in 1992 in Tokyo Japan and is an on-going performance and installation art project. Linked web pages are noted as reference to EarthMan and similar and related projects. Nothing noted is commercial, spam or advertising. It is matter of fact of an artist, his art, and his art history. laurentdion

Delete. The artist may be WP:N, but this particular project doesn't seem to be. It did win a 2nd place for Performance in the Orange show art car parade in Houston. 740 Ghits for "dion laurent" +art --Clappingsimon talk 13:57, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete as per Clappingsimon. Dionyseus 14:23, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete concur with Clappingsimon —ptk✰fgs 18:37, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Save Page EarthMan is an ongoing project that has been performed across the SW of the US and on the west coast and will be performed numberous times this year in the US and internationally. In these days of global warming, increased pollution and CO2 emissions, desertification, heat waves and drought, EarthMan is relevent hybrid of art and science. The title of the work as an entity is more significant than the name of it's creator. laurentdion

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see similar entries, famous or not

Here is a similar entry of living artists' work, and below, a few other listed works of art.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gates Please view this entry for similarities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernica_%28painting%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starry_night --Laurentdion 15:49, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

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If as per nom, then edit the offending links. This work of art is non commercial and therefore cannot be spam or advertising. Again, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gates

If any one here voting for deletion has any expertise in art and art history, I would love to hear of it.

Art is not a treasure in the past or an importation from another land, but part of the present life of all living and creating peoples. Franklin Delano Roosevelt --Laurentdion 16:52, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

  • I suggested on the discussion page that the artist create a page for him/herself and include a description of this work there. I think that the examples given above are not particularly relevant due to the severe disparity in notability between those works and this one. The POV pushing in the comment above is unwelcome and hardly likely to help your case, Laurent, btw. Wikipedia is, by nature, not a community where "experts" have more rights than anyone else. FDR, for instance, was not an expert in art or art history, but you feel comfortable in using him to speak for your viewpoint. Richardjames444 16:58, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I am reinstating the afd tag on the article. Please do not remove it while this discussion is continuing. My mistake. User:Laurentdion created duplicate pages under Earthman and Earth man. I redirected the first, which didn't have a delete request, to the second. Richardjames444 17:14, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

at least I think I did. i would appreciate it if someone checked this for me.Richardjames444 17:32, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete vanity cruft design concept spam --Xrblsnggt 17:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. --Bigtop 18:47, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
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Richard, I appreciate your suggestion. However, this entry is about the EarthMan project, not the artist or creator. This is all new to me, but in reading through all of the guide to deletion and deletion policy, I see no relevent facts to delete this entry. Editing, perhaps. And yes, I am comfortable to quote FDR as above. Perhaps you all have heard of The New Deal and The Federal Arts Projects of FDR and his admin.?! From the Wikepedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOT "Self-promotion. You are free to write about yourself or projects you have a strong personal involvement in. However, do remember that the standards for encyclopedic articles apply to such pages just like any other, including the requirement to maintain a neutral point of view." There is no point of view in the EarthMan entry, nor in links. "Original inventions. If you invent the word frindle or a new type of dance move, it is not article material until a secondary source reports on it." EarthMan is an artistic invention, a work of art. http://www.orangeshow.org/artcar_winners.html see the judges/jury page for notables http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Columns/articleId=115534 EarthMan is mentioned, but not the creator http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:StH8czlLHbwJ:news.surfwax.com/cars/files/Edsel_Car.html+EarthMan,+art+car+parade&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=12 http://artsextra.com/xyz/gallery/gal_050807_jacklondonsq.html Airport is EarthMan’s survival pod. EarthMan was apprehended performing on the golden gate bridge San Francisco art news. Also shown on channel 5 news bay area in an interview during that installation and performance series http://www.houstonpress.com/Issues/2006-03-16/calendar/beenthere.html EarthMan is dubbed GreenHouseMan… "Critical reviews. Biographies and articles about art works are supposed to be encyclopedic. Of course, critical analysis of art is welcome, if grounded in direct observations of outside parties." EarthMan entry is not critical but rather a descriptive article, grounded in the above cited links. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gates.

Of course I cited FDR. Please view these links: You may never have heard of Jackson Pollock or Thomas Hart Benton if not for… http://www.wpamurals.com/wpabios.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Art_Project http://www.wpamurals.com/ http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:CThpQWtBr2QJ:www.wwcd.org/policy/US/newdeal.html+Franklin+Delano+Roosevelt,+new+deal,+art&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=6

There is precedent here for works of art in many regards, separate and inclusive of the artists or authors. --Laurentdion 02:14, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Comment. Laurent, I fail to see how any of the sources you give report anything that's actually in the wikipedia article. In fact, the sources say Earthman is "a guy clad in a genuine-looking spacesuit on a Segway scooter" and say nothing about a structure (Arts Extra gives a structure, but little information on what it is. The fact that "Air Port" is part of the Earthman project had to be supplemented by you.). I'm also worried about on the sources themselves. So, the articles and the third party sources don't mesh, and the third party sources themselves give so little information about the project that it's probably not going to meet either. If all the information about the project is coming from the primary source (you), then it is in danger of being vanity. Oh yeah, please don't vote multiple times (the closing admin will be unhappy with you, at the very least) - I've striken out all of your other votes. --ColourBurst 06:16, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. ColourBurst, In fact, Earthman is "a guy clad in a genuine-looking spacesuit". That's the work. It's EarthMan, not SPaceMan, though he is "a guy clad in a genuine-looking spacesuit", "a complex sytem..." designed to keep a person alive in the extreme environments of earth."

See "technical specs. 1 - Human, ... 1 - Silver reflective suit." It is a form of expression and an invention reflecting the reality of global warming, heatwaves, droughts, blah, blah... Spacesuit implies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_suit "A space suit is a complex system of garments, equipment and environmental systems designed to keep a person alive and comfortable in the harsh (lack of) environment of outer space. This applies to extra-vehicular activity outside spacecraft orbiting Earth and has applied to walking, and riding the Lunar Rover, on the Moon."

EarthMan is in an "earthsuit" so to say. Say of EarthMan:

EarthMan is a work of art and an invention. "EarthMan is a complex system of garments, equipment and environmental systems designed to keep a person alive and comfortable in the harsh (lack of) environment of Earth. This applies to extra-vehicular activity on Earth as applied to walking, and riding the Segway on Earth".

Those more sournce below are reliable sources that further unfold and are described in the other reliable and verifiable sources published text, photos, video and audio. Published images in the Houston Press and on their website show further what EarthMan is and describe his performance. Ch. 2 News Houston describes and shows video of EarthMan in detail, aired twice during prime time.

Of your concerns about WP:V WP:RS: There is nothing "obviously wrong, absurd, or harmful" in the entry, nothing dishonest or unbelievable about EarthMan as a work of art, cited sources have "demonstrable published expertise in the field they are discussing", including the orange show staff and judges. Oh yeah, I am not voting multiple times. I am reiterating the case to include EarthMan as a Wiki article. Below are more reliable and verifiable sources. Note the judges who voted 2 awards to EarthMan. View their credentials as arts professionals and experts in the field. Watch both publications of Channel 2 news prime time coverage including video and commentary of EarthMan. EarthMan is a work of art. It is published multiple times in reputable hard copy, video and internet news, and on the website and news pages of one of America's most reputable non-profit arts organizations.

http://www.orangeshow.org/vote2006/images/224.jpg

http://www.orangeshow.org/artcar_winners.html Best Performance, 2nd Place Best Entry Fueled by Alternative Locomotion, 2nd Place

http://www.orangeshow.org/2006%20Everyones%20Art%20Car%20Parade%20Buzz%20Sheet%20FINAL%20425.pdf Lists judges - "reputable experts in the field"

http://www.orangeshow.org/artcar.html

http://www.orangeshow.org/artcar_events.html "KPRC Local 2 will air the 2006 Everyones Art Car Parade Thursday, May 25 at 7 pm KPRC Local 2 Broadcasts the 2006 Everyones Art Car Parade during Prime Time!" EarthMan is shown performing and described in broadcast, #224 You can purchase a copy of the broadcast/publication from The Orange Show.

"Missed the Everyones Art Car Parade Primetime Broadcast? Never fear, KPRC Local 2 will air the 2006 Everyones Art Car Parade again this Saturday, June 10 at 2 pm." EarthMan is shown performing and described in broadcast, #224 You can purchase a copy of the broadcast/publication from The Orange Show.

http://www.orangeshow.org/2006%20Ev1.net%20Art%20Car%20Weekend%20FAQ%204_11.pdf --Laurentdion 13:41, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Comment. Okay, let's try this. Do you have more than one source (news, art reviews) that specifically talks about Earthman alone in a substantial way, and not just a blurb? If so, then I'll be happy to retract my vote, but there's nothing in your links about Earthman but one-liners. The recently created Dion Laurent is fine - the article includes substantial reviews about Dion Laurent's work. --ColourBurst 17:11, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I created a stub for the artist. I think that he qualifies as WP:N, while his individual works may not. I hope that this is an agreeable compromise. Richardjames444 13:44, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Given User:Laurentdion recent outbursts and obvious disinterest in consensus, I requested an author delete of the article, which was granted. Richardjames444 18:38, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Richardjames444, I appreciate your time,effort and insight in creating a stub for theartist. Though I still reiterate my "keep" vote for EarthMan, I believe enough said for now. Thank you again for your time and efforts. Cheers--Laurentdion 20:03, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Delete as advert. No reason has been given for why this page should be kept. I also re-redirected the duplicate page (you should add that page to this nomination. If you do in the future, my vote will be Delete Both). -Royalguard11Talk 21:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Was already done actually Wildthing61476 21:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment It's been over a week, when will the AfD be closed? Wildthing61476 15:09, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I removed the childish attack that was NOT posted by me. Wildthing61476 15:09, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


http://deadpool.rotten.com/profiles/09/04/34977.html I just googled you to check on your WP:N And this is the return: http://deadpool.rotten.com/profiles/09/04/34977.html I've opened my world to the world, and yours is this.

"The Rotten Dead Pool is a classic death pool implemented as a software toy.

The rules are simple: Choose 10 people whom you think will die in the next year. For more information, seek help.

Registered users can select from our list of celebrities to generate a profile. As celebrities die, players with matching picks earn a point. Ties of score shall be settled by closed meeting of the Star Chamber, awarding points based on style. Thus, a Kurt Cobain receives far more credit than a Bob Hope. Here, age and unexpectedness of death play a hand."

"Article reads as spam/advertising." Prod removed by author. Wildthing61476 13:41, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

You win. Hurry, hurry, delete, you win. EarthMan is dead! --Laurentdion 15:33, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

WP:CIVIL, read this Laurent, you might learn something. Wildthing61476 15:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Civility? You bet on peoples lives and death and want to direct one towards civility. I think you play that game here too. I'd email you these comments personally, but you've blocked emails from users. Understandable. --Laurentdion 15:47, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I bet on peoples lives?? Ok, this was JUST an article on Wikipedia that I felt was not notable for inclusion. Calm down, relax, and it's not the end of the world. Wildthing61476 16:05, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, see again: http://deadpool.rotten.com/profiles/09/04/34977.html . It's you, no? Uh, and as you nominated for deletion above "Article reads as spam/advertising." What do you feel!

I find this all amusing and laughable. And so I choose to edit EarthMan as such:

Earth Man , also known as EarthMan, is the name of a phenomenon which has polarized people around the world, being either the product of vivid imagination or a creature that has somehow avoided close observation or capture by man.

Earth Man is described as a large, bipedal silver humanoid creature living in remote wilderness areas of the United States and of Canada, specifically those in south western Canada, the Great Lakes, the Pacific Northwest, the Rocky Mountains, large cities of the U.S. Northeast, and the U.S. Southern states. Some claim it is a creature which may be found around the world under different regional names, such as the EarthMan, Earth(Hu)man or is at least a closely related species. Sightings have allegedly occurred in Malaysia, China, Japan, Europe, and South America. [1] [2] [3]

The majority of scientists reject the possibility of the creature's existence, and consider the stories of Earth Man to be a combination of unsubstantiated folklore and hoax. This is due to current scientific knowledge plus the lack of bones or a body.


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   * 1 EarthMan phenomenon
   * 2 EarthMan
   * 3 Eyewitness reports
   * 4 Psychological explanations
   * 5 Mainstream response

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EarthMan phenomenon

EarthMan is one of the more famous creatures in cryptozoology. Cryptozoologist John Green has postulated that EarthMan is a worldwide phenomenon (Green 1978:16).

Many who consider the creature's existence a possibility claim that accounts of large, silver, ape-like or "wild man" creatures (or reports of inexplicably large, human-like footprints) from the Pacific Northwest date as far back as the late 20th century. Some researchers have argued that these earlier accounts are consistent with more contemporary EarthMan reports, while critics doubt their authenticity and question the accuracy of interpreting older reports through modern preconceptions. Skeptics also question the authenticity of these earlier reports in general, as many of them were not documented before the 1990s.

The earliest unambiguous reports of gigantic ape-like creatures in the Pacific northwest date from 1992, after a series of alleged encounters at a location in Washington later dubbed EarthMan Canyon, as related in The Oregonian [8] As noted in "Etymology" below, similar reports appear in the mainstream press dating back at least to the 1990s.


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EarthMan

The late Smithsonian primatologist John Napier noted that "the term EarthMan has been in colloquial use since the early 1990's to describe large, unaccountable human-like footprints in the Pacific northwest" (Napier, 74). However, according to Loren Coleman and Jerome Clark, Andrew Genzoli deserves credit for the first formal use of the word on October 5, 1994 (Coleman and Clark, 39-40). Genzoli was a columnist and editor at the Humbolt Times, and that day's front page story showed Jerry Crew, a bulldozer operator on a road-building crew, holding an enormous plaster cast of a footprint. The text began, "While the tracks of old EarthMan [sic] have been in evidence for some time...," before detailing the worker's claims to have discovered an enormous footprint at an isolated work site.


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Eyewitness reports

Some cryptozoologists have argued that the most persuasive circumstantial evidence for EarthMan's existence is the high number (possibly thousands) of credible eyewitness reports from individuals, who claim to have clearly seen creatures that they describe as large, bipedal and ape-like and shiny silver.


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Psychological explanations

Arguing against the existence of EarthMan, anthropologist David Daegling suggests that EarthMan fills a basic human need for mysteries and monsters.


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Mainstream response

Skeptics

Wikipedia editors and academics generally "discount the existence of EarthMan because the evidence supporting belief in the survival of a silver prehistoric, bipedal, ape-like creature of such dimensions is scant". Furthermore, the issue is so muddied with dubious claims and outright hoaxes that many scientists do not give the subject serious attention. Napier wrote that the mainstream scientific community's indifference stems primarily from "insufficient evidence ... it is hardly unsurprising that scientists prefer to investigate the probable rather than beat their heads against the wall of the faintly possible" (Napier, 15).

--Laurentdion 14:53, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

So I did that YEARS ago, who cares? And why pray tell are you searching into my private life OUTSIDE of Wikipedia? This borders on stalking and I will request that you STOP this. Wildthing61476 16:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Googling is stalking? Wow! Years ago? Verifiable and Reliable! WP:V WP:RS

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I'm done with this, I'm tired of your childish attacks and I have reported this to the Wiki admins. Wildthing61476 16:37, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

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