Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dylan Thomas's Changing World

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete.  RasputinAXP  c 15:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dylan Thomas's Changing World

Hoax. A "little-known poem" by a famous author and a cute story about its recent discovery in a barn. No sources, unverifiable. The first edits of User:Djh1102 whose following edits went from bad to worse. AfD instead of {{prod}} because more effort than usual went into creating a believable hoax (assuming it is one). Maybe some Dylan Thomas expert can find a source. Rl 20:50, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete unverifiable probable hoax. I find User:Cicero Dog's identification of features of early Dylan unconvincing. Dlyons493 Talk 21:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete No reference despite research on his websiteand other websites including this. Craig451 21:09, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Do Not Delete despite User:Craig451 attempts to prove this is a hoax i still feel that the stylism is dylanistic and i fear you are jumping the gun Cicero Dog 21:16, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• Comments I refuse to have my professional opinion of this poem brought into question! If you had any idea of the stylisations of dylan's early work you would be able to see the comparisons. Perhaps you should sit back and appreiciate the beauty of this poem - even if it isn't thomas's poem Cicero Dog 21:16, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• Response Doesn't meet content criteria and Wikipedia *articles are* not a forum for your opinion. Thanks. Craig451 21:38, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• WP:CIVIL, folks. Opinions certainly have their place in an AfD discussion. But unverifiable information is a problem even if it might possibly be true. I suggest that those who like the poem make a copy for their own use. Rl 22:17, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Verifiability is absolutely not satisfied by "the stylism is dylanistic". Fan1967 21:25, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, unverifiable.  RasputinAXP  c 22:30, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

• comments There as been a claim by another user that "the allegedly corrupt Dylan Thomas poem, which was written by Dylan Thomas in 1934 in a book of his early poems entitled 'Youth Runs Away' a book which has since gone out of print" contributed by User:Aj87 this should be looked into. Perhaps if User:Fan-1967 Got a doctorate in English literature he would be less judgemental and more able to see poetic similarity. Cicero Dog 10:56, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• Response Would Cicero Dog care to link the claim from User:Aj87 as user contribution reveals no such contribution. Thanks Craig451 11:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• Respone I would like to see proof of Cicero Dog's Doctorate in English! Ciraric 12:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• Response Rudeness aside (trying desperately to assume good faith), a "dylanistic" style does not constitute anything remotely resembling verification of actual authorship by Dylan Thomas. Fan1967 14:03, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as the above state. Not verified. Ciraric 12:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• comment at the bottom of this talk page. [[1]] Could I remind messors Ciraric and Craig 451 to assume good faith when dealing in wikipedia. thank you. Cicero Dog 12:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• Response I still find that User:Aj87 has made no contributions. Edits appear to have been made by User:Djh1102 (now banned). Instead of squabbling over revision histories any chance of a source being supplied as requested previously. Please refer to this and this. Thanks. Craig451 13:05, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. I see no evidence that this "now out of print" book ever existed. I see no evidence that this poem ever existed. And I see no evidence that Aj87 ever existed [2]. Metros232 13:08, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• I'm afraid the mysterious Aj87 is no other than User:Djh1102 ([3]). Rl 13:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• comment funny thing souces...not all of them are on the internet...heard of books? big papery things? yes? .... other than attempting to ram them into my floppy disk drive in the hope the will end up on this talk page i see no way of my source reaching you. As to the writer of the edit about the book. I merely assumed good faith instead of searching the internet looking for who wrote it in the hope that i'll get a barnstar...mainly because i've already got a barnstar! Cicero Dog 13:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• Response This may come in useful. Thanks. Craig451 13:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Response so might a gun Cicero Dog 13:36, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Respone I would advise Cicero to obtain use of a camera to verify the existance of his source. Ciraric 18:32, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• translation take a photo of your book Cicero Dog 18:41, 23 May 2006 (UTC) indeed i shall Cicero Dog 18:41, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as hoax. WorldCat, a world-wide database of mostly academic libraries, has no listing for Youth runs away and neither does the Library of Congress. [4] Suggest we stop feeding the troll. Thatcher131 19:45, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as hoax. If this were legitimate, there would have been some mention in news reports, literature, or any of the web sites dedicated to Dylan Thomas. Regarding the comments from the two experts in this discussion (I am assuming good faith here), even if it were true, it would be original research, which is not permitted here, either. B.Wind 13:37, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.