Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dvar (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 04:51, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dvar

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An unknown Russian band, even saying itself to be "anonymous w/ no details known about them". Jmlk17 22:18, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I suspect you misinterpreted results of a machine translation. Their official page uses the word таинственный, which, in this context, is better translated as occult or mystic rather than anonymous. Declaring themselves occult might be a normal part of a gothic rock band's image. Digwuren 23:46, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Comment - They are known in the Russian underground goth-scene and there they really have a cult status (and i'm not a fan myself, i dont get their music). The anonymity is used to help their image, as they state in all interviews, as if Davr is somthing "supernatural" and chose them as the "messenger" to deliver "the word". Nevertheless, we really dont have English reviews on their albums. Only a few Russian positive reviews are from real journals and magazines, the rest Russian positive reviews are from fans on blogs and stuff. M.V.E.i. 22:31, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

• Keep- many good reasonable sources linked from the article. Just because they are in Russian, does not mean we cannot use them. J Milburn 22:34, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: Ok, sorry, the sources aren't that great, but the band appears to be notable. J Milburn 22:38, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - They do appear to be notable, attracting lots of attention from various English web sites and probably lots more from Russian ones. It would be difficult for an English Wikipedian like myself to dig out all the best Russian sources, but notability seems fairly evident here. — xDanielx ^T/_C 23:57, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - much as it pains me I have to vote keep as purely by their discography alone they meet the requirements of WP:BAND--WebHamster 00:36, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep This is actually a very notable band in Russia, and while it may be a bit difficult to get English references, I'm sure if you spoke Russian, the references would be plentiful. They definitely meet the minimum requirements for musical groups. ^Ariel♥Gold 08:11, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
• It appears there are certain cultural reasons, which I will not discuss in details here, that bar this band from gaining notoriety in Europe. Consequently, the notability requirements should only be considered within the Russian culture space, and, as pointed out by several people above, the notability requirements in this context appear to be sufficiently satisfied. Accordingly, there's no need to delete this article, and it should be kept. Its style has room for improvement, though. Digwuren 14:12, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.