Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dumbledore's Army

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect to Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. There's a clear consensus that this organisation doesn't have enough out-universe notability for its own article; however, as I'm redirecting rather than deleting, any important information can be merged into the main article on the book. WaltonOne 20:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dumbledore's Army

The article is just a re-writing of the Plot of various Harry Potter plotlines, and contains no real world sourcing or information. As we already have articles on the books and characters and films, this just duplicates that, and can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 22:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete - Oh wow...who cares. Even if they existed they'd fail WP:CORP. Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 23:10, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
    • But it's a secret society! Of course there's no sources! They just haven't gotten into the papers yet! But trust me, it's real. Just check their website for proof --UsaSatsui 21:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment I guess some people do. It is rated "High-Importance" according to WikiProject Harry Potter. -Rocket000 00:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Yet its fate is being debated over at Harry potter notability, and this is my proposed solution, due to its notability problems. Judgesurreal777 01:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - Way, way too in-universe. Smashville 23:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep and improve. This should be changed so it does not sound in-universe. Why delete if it can be improved?131.215.108.218 23:20, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
    • How do you propose that a fictional organization that only exists in universe is made to sound not in-universe? Smashville 23:43, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete This kind of stuff should be covered in the books they are found in.--SJP 23:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment Do you mean the book's articles? Because this topic applies to the whole series, and would be hard to merge, plus it's better to have it all in one place. -Rocket000 00:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
It's already mentioned in those articles. Judgesurreal777 01:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Plot regurgitation does not a Wikipedia article make. Where are the outside references? Are there books written on Dumbledore's Army? The topic is not notable, and no amount of rewriting will help. MarkBul 23:32, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge I think it's notable, being a major part of Harry Potter, but since there is concensus to delete, I'd say merge so it can be deleted, and the information contained theren would be kept. Yamakiri on Firefox 00:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep at least for now. I don't know to much about the Harry Potter Universe, but there seems to be a lot of information here that just needs to be re-worked. Anyway, there's a bigger discussion over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Harry Potter/Notability. - Rocket000 00:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
And this is one of the articles that they hadn't decided what to do with it, so I propose this solution. Judgesurreal777 01:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Oh sorry, I wasn't aware of that, I didn't read though it all. I just thought I'd point it out for those that cared. - Rocket000 02:16, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge to any of the books/or other articles related to the Dumbledore army.--JForget 00:26, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Merge to a new article called List of Harry Potter organizations, which will include all the organizations in the books. S.P.E.W. should also be merged to this page.71.92.70.77 01:17, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
It is very doubtful that that article, like this one, would have even a sliver of notability. It will probably get a sentence mention in the Universe of Harry Potter article. Judgesurreal777 01:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment The HP WikiProject hasn't done anything about this article because we haven't gotten around to discussing it yet. I'm sure we'll do something about it soon, but it would be nice if you would defer to us temporarily and stop AfD'ing articles so we can have a chance to sort it out ourselves. We have just started a new process for restructuring the articles under our care to satisfy notability guidelines. – Basar (talk · contribs) 04:05, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
With regard to articles that there is a consensus about merging or not, I have deferred to consensus. With regard to article whose fate is undecided, I have taken the initiative. Judgesurreal777 04:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Why not "take the initiative" by starting a discussion on this page at the WikiProject? – Basar (talk · contribs) 04:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. AfD is a bit extreme. Wl219 04:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
So after this, should I cease AFD for now and just work on the notability page? Judgesurreal777 05:49, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
It seems reasonable to me. If our group fails, we can always return to AfD, but I feel letting the WikiProject deal with these things is preferable if possible. – Basar (talk · contribs) 06:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Sounds good, with this nomination, we have already gotten ride of a lot of junk already. Judgesurreal777 06:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
You're not going to be able to close an an AfD debate that is looking like a consensus delete and merge. Smashville 13:04, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Comment - Maybe it should be userfied to the page of one of the HP project's members,then? ◄Zahakiel► 15:33, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Comment - that that is also up for deletion. --T-dot ( Talk/contribs ) 10:03, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete - fails WP:FICT for lack of out-of-universe sources and reception. Article is also very in-universe, violating WP:WAF. Merge necessary information into the relevant Harry Potter article and then delete. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 07:33, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Forgive me for not knowing the answer to this because I rarely comment on AfD's, but why in the world would you delete an article after merging some of its content when you can just redirect it? – Basar (talk · contribs) 07:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
The page is free to be recreated as a redirect if it is appropriate. As for now, where it will be redirected to is not clear, especially considering that the logical redirect, Order of the Phoenix (organisation), is also up for deletion. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 18:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
I still don't get it. Why merge, delete, redirect when it can be redirected in the first place. The only difference is that the article history is lost which might be useful for future merging or traswiki'ing. I think book 5 would be the logical redirect as it was most important in that book and introduced there. – Basar (talk · contribs) 20:36, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep or merge/redirect or userfy until the Notability WP has figured out what to do with the article. With the masses of HP AfDs recently, I don't want to be in their position of having to fix everything immediately and fight AfD comments at the same time. – sgeureka t•c 10:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Redirect or Merge' to Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. The first and most significant appearance. --UsaSatsui 21:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Dumbledore's Army is clearly notable to Warner Brothers, and their marketing department seems to want you to join. http://joindumbledoresarmy.warnerbros.com/ Libertycookies 10:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.