Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dubai lime

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete -- Y not? 02:38, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dubai lime

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Website with no real assertion of notability. Delete, unless sources are provided. J Milburn 21:01, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. Violates WP:ADVERT. OfficeGirl 23:14, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
• Comment: I am now working with the author of the article in an attempt to improve it. J Milburn 23:21, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
• Sources have been provided but article body needs more content. Allow me to work on it for a few days in order to improve the article--Sabature 02:05, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

PLEASE NOTE: I've looked at the sources that you have added to the article and they consist only of (1) the subject of the article and (2) press releases from the PR firm hired by the subject of the article. If you can't find any truly independent sources that have published stories about this subject, then Wikipedia is the wrong place for the article. I hate to tell you that after your hard work to find those links, but the article is still only an advertisement, and that's a no-no on Wikipedia. But you could publish it on another internet website if you like. OfficeGirl 09:22, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

PLEASE NOTE: OfficeGirl I checked out the article links as well and it seems majority of them are independent sources for example:-

http://www.7days.ae/showstory.php?id=52452 on 7DAYS one of the leading papers in Dubai http://www.7days.ae/showstory.php?id=57219 on 7DAYS one of the leading papers in Dubai http://www.timeoutdubai.com/dubai/nightlife/review.php?id=6207 on Time Out Dubai leading entertainment news in Dubai http://www.xpress4me.com/life/reviews/music/20001297.html on Xpress on of the leading papers in Dubai. http://www.arabianbusiness.com/496214-sing-when-youre-winning on Arabian Business News one of the leading Business papers in Dubai. Please check again --Karenarttodd 11:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

HAVING CHECKED AGAIN PER YOUR REQUEST:

http://www.7days.ae/showstory.php?id=52452 on 7DAYS one of the leading papers in Dubai

This page is a community calendar for the week of June 15, 2007. It contains only a brief mention of Dubai Lime, and that is in the way of printing an event announcement which was no doubt provided by the subject's publicist. This is not the same as when a publication independently deems a subject to be newsworthy and investigates the facts and writes a story about it.

http://www.7days.ae/showstory.php?id=57219 on 7DAYS one of the leading papers in Dubai

This is a small blurb in a section of the website called Coffee and Culture (things to do in Dubai). The blurb itself is four sentences long, and it isn't even a blurb about Dubai lime-- it's about a coffee shop called Central Perk. At the end of the sentence it mentions that Dubai Lime is scheduled to have an "Open Mic" night there. That's all. There's no real information about the subject of this Wikipedia article, except that the subject really exists. I don't think anyone has doubted that the subject really exists.

http://www.timeoutdubai.com/dubai/nightlife/review.php?id=6207 on Time Out Dubai leading entertainment news in Dubai

This is a one-sentence calendar announcement that the subject of the article is promoting a performance of a trio of artists.

http://www.xpress4me.com/life/reviews/music/20001297.html on Xpress on of the leading papers in Dubai.

This is the only article which is actually written by an independent reporter of the facts. It is very brief and it reads like a press release (reporters often rely heavily on press packets from the promoter to get the content of their articles, it saves them from actually doing the work of writing), but it still counts as a third-party source. Thing is-- what we learn about this subject is that it is a new corporation of music promoters trying to drum up some business. They are trying to get themselves established and working hard, but we all know they got this article through their paid publicist more so than on the merits of serious newsworthiness.

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/496214-sing-when-youre-winning on Arabian Business News one of the leading Business papers in Dubai.

This one is an interview of the subject. It's a lot like a primary source, since the publication is only printing word-for-word what the subject says without analysis, but it's a whole lot better than a press release. Again, the article seems to tell us that these folks are just getting started. It takes a lot for a music promoter to be considered notable, and it may be premature to label them as such.

Karenarttodd, you have reacted to my post as if you believe I am rushing to judgment on deletion. If you check my contrib history you will see that numerous times I have changed my delete vote to keep whenever an editor overhauls a problem article. I am really glad when they do that and I have endeavored to do that on several Irish-based articles myself. I am not against the City of Dubai and I am more aware than most that it is a rich cultural and international trade center, as one of my dearest friends lives in the UAE.

I still have my doubts about this very commercial entry qualifying as an appropriate entry on Wikipedia. And I hate having these doubts when I see how much work these editors are doing to try as they can to find something that makes the article work. Kudos to the hard work, but we aren't going to be able to change the facts about this brand new commercial enterprise which has had only minimal coverage on a local level in their own city. OfficeGirl 19:32, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

• Comment: Internal links have now been added to the article and J Milburn is helping me with the website. Thanks --Sabature 02:05, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:WEB. All sources added thus far are links to subject of article. Still probably fails as spam, definitely fails on notability and verifiability. --Bfigura ^(talk) 03:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
• Comment The article is not an advert. It reads like an advert therefore request help from wikipedians to edit the wiki article.The articles provided within the Wiki Article are valid sources in the city the website is based in please check and confirm.--Karenarttodd 11:00, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
• Comment Then I guess there is no changing your mind OfficeGirl...I am an Art writer in a U.K. art publication and have heard about the great things they are doing for the Art Community for Free so I thought I would look them up on wikipedia. Do what ever fancies you I just know from being a part of the Art world that Dubai Lime gets no money what so ever from their Art Project.--Karenarttodd 22:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. There seems to be enough news items to establish notability. - Dean Wormer 03:41, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Despite all the blurbs from the media, does not meet WP:WEB. Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 01:22, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.