Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Driving pleasure

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Sufficient secondary sources have been provided to indicate that this term has a formal meaning. - BanyanTree 06:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Driving pleasure

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Contested speedy deletion. This article's a winner. No context, completely subjective, and barely helpful. The author insists it's "necessary", but I see no reason why an article about something like 'driving pleasure' is needed. JuJube 17:18, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

• Strong delete, maybe speedy delete per A1. --Tinctorius 17:30, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - probably speediable under A1/G1 — iridescenti (talk to me!) 17:40, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
• Redirect to Fahrvergnügen, else delete. Basically some guy's opinion of what he likes in a car. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 19:11, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
• Strong delete per Tinctorius. I tagged this for speedy deletion, but was overruled. This is not an article, and I fail to see how it could be salvaged. ---Charles 21:06, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
• STRONG keep for at least a month The article's creator, User:Vinay412, is rather new to Wikipedia. I think he's from Bangalore, India. His contributions are rough, but I don't think they're ill-intentioned. Nobody ever sent him a welcome message (with Wiki info) on his user page, much less emphasized that he should be sure to provide sources for any contributions he makes to Wikipedia. Take a look at his contributions, especially Quarter glass and Helmet fight. He knows how Wikipedia is structured, and this structure takes time to learn. He could help improve the India articles if guided there. Don't bite his contributions, GUIDE his contributions. --SueHay 02:53, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment That doesn't mean this article should be kept. JuJube 03:05, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Agree Only asking for a delay to give him time to work on it, and us time to guide him. --SueHay 03:29, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
• Strong keep This article is essential, i was surprised not to see an article "driving pleasure" in wikipedia. i had already internal linked driving pleasure. page "throttle response" also has to be created. these words are most used while reviewing any car. Please try to improve article, i see no contributions other than mine. thanks Vinay412 05:01, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
  • and now i improved it a bit, i had thought some other will clean up article but they are deleting it. take a look now. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vinay412 (talk • contribs) 05:04, 4 May 2007 (UTC).
  • Lots of specialized terms are used in reviews of various items of technology, that doesn't mean they need Wikipedia articles. JuJube 05:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
  • though driving pleasure is little subjective, "throttle response" is purely scientific. and subjective does not mean it should be deleted. i will create throttle response after i win this case, lets see jujubeVinay412 05:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Comment: Wikipedia is not a battleground, so it's not about 'winning'. This article has been nominated for deletion because many editors think the subject of this article is not relevant. Do not take this criticism personally; we just want to improve Wikipedia obeying Wikipedia's standards, which include notability, sourcing, context, etc. If this article is 'significant', as you say, then tell us why. --Tinctorius 09:08, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

i will tell you why, not today, but tomorrow.Vinay412 11:05, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Comment It's now the day after tomorrow... — iridescenti (talk to me!) 19:23, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Comment Vinay412 and I added references to the article. "Driving pleasure" is a term used in evaluating vehicle design, and the parameters Vinay412 listed as important to "Driving pleasure" seem to roughly correspond with with how its used in technical literature. Also, the term is widely used in automobile advertising with the same meaning as in the technical literature. --SueHay 20:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Comment The article has a razor thin mean section that barely explains how the term is used or the possibility of an objective definition. If that can be done, I'll withdraw my nom. JuJube 18:06, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Comment I expanded the introduction to include ergonomics and put the article in the auto engineering category. If the auto engineers, car reviewers and auto advertisers can't define this term that they use, I think the article should go away. If you'd consider letting it stay for now, I think Wikipedia's auto fans might expand it. Thank you for considering my request. --SueHay 21:29, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

ergonomics is related to comfort, not pleasure. i felt moving it. Its sad to ask everything to be done in start of article itself.— vinay 03:57, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

• Comment The lead is still small but suitably objective and can be expanded upon; therefore, I'll withdraw my nom. JuJube 03:59, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.