Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dr. J. Lee Choron

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Sr13 09:41, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dr. J. Lee Choron

Dr. J. Lee Choron (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) – (View log)

I can't make heads or tails of this one, its barely readable. Rackabello 23:17, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Re-adding comment to fix mistaken edit of original template:

All,

I am Dr. J. Lee Choron and I was rather impressed when I found the article on myself here quite by accident a month or so ago. I had intentintions of editing out a few minor errors when my computer crashed on me. When I returned the article had been deleted. I can find no reason. As far as I can tell it is reasonably accurate with some very minor errors. I reposted it myself from a saved copy with intent to re-edit once it posted but I did this before reading the "no self posting policy". I would like to know why the original article was deleted. I can't find an explanation of any kind on the site. This isn't terribly important and I'm certainly not annoyed. I'm simply currious as the article was accurate.

JLC

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimmyandsherry (talk • contribs) — Jimmyandsherry (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

To answer your question, the previous deletion of this page was done through PROD, and expressed the concern that it was a non-notable autobiographical entry. You can see this by checking the log entry for this page (available both above, and on the history section of the original article. To explain why this article is a problem, you'll probably want to check WP:BIO and WP:AUTO, but the basic point is that it's a bad idea to edit pages about yourself. This applies to everyone, including Jimbo Wales. This isn't to say you can't be concerned about it, but it'd be better to stick with comments on the talk page. As for notability, without third-party references, it's understandable how it may be considered doubtful that you meet the appropriate standards for inclusion. I'll leave the question of that to other people, but I'll certainly say the article as written is not very good. FrozenPurpleCube 00:47, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Possible weak keep the major element of notability I can find in the articles is "James Choron participated in the Russian August Revolt of 1991 and the October Revolt of 1993 and is a permanent legal resident of the Russian Federation by presidential decree of Mikhail Gorbachev and received the Order of Hero of the Soviet Union for his services.. He is one of only two Americans in the history of Russia to be to be so honored." If this can be sourced, it's notable. As for most of the rest, I improved the article by removing a good deal of it. DGG (talk) 00:50, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. It smells like a hoax to me. I can't find anything corroborating him receiving that award, equivalent to the Medal of Honor. You'd think that some news service somewhere would find it noteworthy for an American to get it. It's also very suspicious that the article doesn't mention just what he did to earn it. Clarityfiend 01:31, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Can't find anything on any search engines using Cyrillic spellings Джеймс/Джэймс Ли Чорон/Хорон/Корон. Surely seems like a hoax. The foreigners awarded Order of Hero of the Soviet Union were heads of state (Todor Zivkov, Erich Honecker and Gamal Abdel Nasser each had one) or foreign astronauts who went to space on the Soviet spaceships. Dr. Choron doesn't seem like either, does he. Karaboom 01:47, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy Delete as hoax Rackabello 01:56, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Hoaxes cannot be speedied. someone might after all have evidence. The place to discuss it is here, but if it seems obvious to a few more people then it would be reasonable to invoke WP:SNOW. DGG (talk) 01:59, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. I smelled hoax, too, but a handful of his writings check out: [1][2][3]. Still the only real thing in the article that would be a claim to notability might be the "participation" in the 1991 revolt (I assume he means the revolt against the coup) and the 1993 action. I'm afraid I really need to see some reliable sources for a claim like that. --Dhartung | Talk 07:18, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. Claim to have received the Order of Hero of the Soviet Union triggers the hoax detector. Sandstein 21:13, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong delete. I call WP:HOAX. One, there is no evidence to corroborate the statements. Two, there is noted an award for a country that no longer exists - which may be merely poor wording, but still. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 21:27, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Delete - hoax Alex Bakharev 07:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom et al. Bearian 19:00, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy delete. Hoaxes can't be speedied? WP:IAR then. Burntsauce 23:05, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.