Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dr. Cat

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dr. Cat

Not notable gamedesigner. It is a biography page that doesn't even list the person's real name. Fails WP:BIO. Peephole 23:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

• Undecided (comment). Tough call for me, but all casting their opinions on this vote should read the article's talk page. The company he founded produced one notable game, Furcadia, which might warrant the inclusion of an article about the company, but it's tough stretching that justification to the designer himself.
  • Comment: Only owning a company or having designed a game does not make one notable in my opinion. --Peephole 23:43, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. The article really could use some improving, yep (too tired to do anything right now, I'll try tomorrow). However, check out the list of stuff the guy has worked on in MobyGames or this thing, and you see that he's not exactly a random coder. One of the memorable names from Origin Systems and clearly known for his other accomplishments, I think... --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 00:09, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: Some improving? The article doesn't even include his real name! Those sources you provided aren't very reliable sources. And I'm sure you can make such a list for every game developer who has been in the game industry for five or ten years.--Peephole 00:33, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

This is his real name, and try well over 20 years. -kotra 00:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Don't think there's a strong case for deletion.--Lomedae 00:24, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

• Wikipedia is not the American justice system--articles don't have to have their worth disproven, rather they have to prove their worth. --Thorne N. Melcher 00:30, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Interesting viewpoint, but not more than that. You could find as many editors claiming the exact opposite, so I fail to see the relevance. Please go bug someone else. --Lomedae 00:41, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep. (article's primary author) For starters, Dr. Cat is his real name, albeit not his birth name. I believe he has had it legally changed. Anyway, he is notable for being half of the then two-person team Dragon's Eye Productions that created two notable games, Furcadia and DragonSpires. His contributions are already evident in the online game industry for being one of the pioneers of the MMOSG genre. His notability is likely to continue and increase with the popularity of his contributions. Google test: His in-game Furcadia pseudonym "Felorin" passes the Google test at 10,000 results, in addition to however many results are attributed to him from searching Dr. Cat. Compare this with video game developers Jukka Tapanimäki (200 results) and Chuck Bueche (800 results), who have undisputed articles. Autobiography: the article wasn't written by him or anyone closely involved with him. As the article's primary author, I don't know him personally, and my only relation to him was a single brief conversation with him in-game several months ago. Bottom line: please do not judge his notability simply because the article is currently in a stub state and because his name is eccentric. -kotra 00:38, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment:AFD those other articles if you want to. But this AFD should discuss this page, not those other articles. There haven't been any reliable sources (WP:RS) provided about this man's notability. There has been no other arguments provided other than he is a game designer of many and a couple popular games. Which doesn't make one notable. 10,000 google hits isn't close to being plenty by the way. --Peephole 00:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I am not disputing the other articles I mentioned. If anybody should, it's you, since you are disputing this one. I was making the point that those articles, despite returning a much fewer results with the Google test, have not been disputed once in their year and two-year histories. And personally, I do not think they should be. As for the results being not "plenty", try searching a random sample of Category:Game programmers. This course of action would also be appropriate for finding what the predominant opinion seems to be regarding the verifiability of sources like MobyGames. You say that creating a couple popular games and contributing to many other (also popular) games isn't enough to be notable. I disagree. -kotra 01:52, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete as nonnotable game designer. Doesn't seem to have been in a particularly high position on the Ultima project teams. The Furcadia game (which btw isn't even at the beta stage of development yet according to article) is not encyclopedically notable enough for the co-creator to have his own article. Dragonspires has even less weight - article claims that when this game was developed/released in 1994, this was one of the "first ever graphical MUDs" but the Wikipedia article on MUDs cites an example of an early graphical mud dating from 1985. Possible merge with the Furcadia article. Also suggest Transwiki to Wikifur, if the wikifurries think he is very notable in their subculture. Bwithh 04:09, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
• Comment: I'd like to point out that the article on the "co-designer" of the Furcadia game, Talzhemir, was also deleted. --Peephole 04:22, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete Not notable; however, I'm not sure how relevant the debate on Talzhemir is.--Runcorn 16:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been added to the list of CVG deletions. Peephole 12:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.