Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donna Judge

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The result was delete due to lack of reliable sources to establish notability. The copyvio looks like it could have been resolved by reverting to an earlier version, but the concern about sourcing would still remain. No prejudice against re-creation with proper sources cited. — TKD::Talk 05:08, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Donna Judge

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Non-notable instructor at a single school. There are quite alot of un-referenced titles and such but this is very much a hidden garden type of thing - all within a particular organization. Should be noted that her instructor was also recently removed after afd debate but although there were questions of notability it was mainly due to copyright violations. Peter Rehse 07:10, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletions. —Peter Rehse 07:15, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
• Delete NN - Being 8th dan in karate in not notable, being head of a school is not notable, all unsourced. --Nate1481( ^t/_c) 10:13, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
• Delete as failing notability guidelines. VanTucky ^(talk) 22:28, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
• Comment I've met this person, and she is a good friend of one of my instructors, so I will not be voting. I did want to supply the following comments related to the WPMA Notability guidelines:
  • The World Martial Arts Hall of Fame appears to be international and not restricted to a limited number of styles/schools.
  • The USKA is comprised of a number of different traditional martial arts schools, and holds international tournaments.

Of course, without references they don't count for establishing notability. I'm just trying to get a feel for how we are going to apply the WPMA notability guidelines. If those credentials were properly referenced, would she be notable then? Bradford44 15:44, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Well were those titles International, national, state, local. It doesn't say. I also don't think membership in the World Martial Arts Hall of Fame is a sign of notability. All we really have is a teacher at a single school.Peter Rehse 16:10, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I've lost count of the number of people who say they are part of a hall of fame, now is it just me or in the age of the internet would you expect a listing of hall of fame members to be online? Ignoring that, notability is only supported if you know the criteria for entry, i.e. not "How much can you pay?", this may well not be the case in this case but it does need to be made clear. --Nate1481( ^t/_c) 09:00, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

• This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 11:48, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. If you have a problem with it not having references, you find those references. The easiest thing is to nominate for deletion. M.V.E.i. 16:40, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

And of course its even easier for the author to provide them. Google was checked - its complicated by the fact the Donna Judge is a common name but most entries have to do with an actual Judge. I checked again and also found a copyvio http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2058732798351980624/posts/default/1785955979932347504

Peter Rehse 17:09, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

So I have to hunt for sources on an individual I have never heard anything of out-side wiki? Your asking us to prove a negative, i.e. there are no sources. --Nate1481( ^t/_c) 09:00, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

• Delete It would be a keep if there was even a reference to a non-online newspaper article about the Hall of Fame thing.Mbisanz 06:18, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

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