Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donna Denize
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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was keep. Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:37, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Donna Denize
Vanity page about high school teacher--BaronLarf 02:07, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete: Vanity page or at least advertising for a person who has not yet achieved notability in her career as a poet. Geogre 02:24, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Delete. Subject is not notable (at least, not yet).-- BD2412 talk 02:53, 2005 Jun 9 (UTC)- Keep all teachers as long as we're keeping all schools. RickK 21:06, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep What are you talking about--a VANITY page? It's your vanity. Just because it's someone you haven't heard of doesn't mean it's not someone notable. Donna Denize has won awards for her teaching, been featured on PBS for her teaching and is a published poet---I don't see you published BaronLarf and Geogre. Also, I don't see fellow teacher and published author Curtis Sittenfeld being criticized for having a vanity page. It's not necessary to be on the New York Times bestseller list to be a good writer or teacher. D. A. 8:00 EST (why is everything on this page in a different time zone?) Jun 9, 2005 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.72.29.38 (talk • contribs) 00:04, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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- Comment: You have references for these achievements? If so, add them to the article and indicate that you have so that people can re-evaluate. As for whether I am published or not, I should imagine that you have no idea, as I haven't written an article about myself or my real name. Would it change anything if I were really Dr. Bigshot at Prestige U.? No. The least talented child can tell good writing from bad, good painting from bad, and anyone on Wikipedia can assess whether an article is an advertisement and puff piece or not. Establish the bona fides of the subject in terms other than "Buy my book." Geogre 12:47, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Keep if the article is correct about her achievements. The Steve 06:50, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)
- Weak Keep conditional as per Thesteve. Anonymous user, you raise good points, but please learn to wiki properly. UTC is the standard time code for wikipedia, as not all the users of en.wikipedia are on the East Coast of the US. jglc | t | c 06:57, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Delete most teachers but keep this one as a published author. Pending, of course, verification per TheSteve. Radiant_>|< 09:21, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep Donna Denize is an incredible teacher, philosopher, and a friend to all those whom she knows. After just completing two semesters of ninth grade english with her, I am convinced that Ms. Denize is worthy of having a web page on Wikipedia because of her unique teaching style and her love of literature and passion for art. Ms. Denize is committed to educating her students about society's evils and downfalls and convincing the future generations (me) that change is necessary in this country's policies concerning war, government, and education. If people want to know more about her, there should be a medium to inform people of her life, and I believe that Wikipedia should take responsibility for its mission in this incredible web site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.200.254.34 (talk • contribs) 15:50, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- While I vote a weak keep as well, the anonymous, assumedly 14- or 15-year-old, user is entirely incorrect. "...her unique teaching style and her love of literature and passion for art" are in no means the reason for anyone at all to have a Wikipedia entry. In fact, if someone's wikipedia entry was based solely on their "love of literature," that would be a good candidate for a VfD. The reason that Ms. Denize deserves a wikipedia article is for her contributions to the field of literature and teaching - not her personality. In addition, let me note that she is not a philosopher. jglc | t | c 15:54, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Research results
- Comment: A quick spot of on Google turned up the following: she is a Baha'i chaplain at American University. "The Word Works[1] selected Broken Like Job by Donna Denize for publication..." "Donna Denize, a Smithsonian-featured teacher" has contributed to a PBS course[2]. The Library of Congress lists her as a poet, special guest at a ceremony honouring Sterling Brown and Gwendolyn Brooks.
- On the other hand, there were only 64 hits for the search string "Donna Denize." 39 of these were unique hits. A good number of them were for another "Donna Denize," a librarian in Auckland, New Zealand. Several others were hits on the internal St. Alban's school website.. I found no evidence whatsoever of Ms. Denize receiving nominations or accolades in the field of teaching.
- In summary? Ms. Denize is technically a published poet (uncertain as to the status of the publisher - it has certain earmarks of a vanity press). She has collaborated with PBS, but not necessarily in a notable or biographically significant way. She seems to be skirting notability; I can't make a call on this one. jglc | t | c 15:31, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. In response to the anon 69.72.29.38, I would point out that after this article was posted on VfD by BaronLarf and after Geogre and BD2412 voted, I searched the Internet and added material from several different sources. That may not have changed their votes but in fairness to them no one should judge their votes based on the current shape of the article. DS1953 16:47, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Delete non notable. JamesBurns 01:58, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion, or the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. Please do not edit this page.
