Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dolphin (Plymouth pub)

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The result of the debate was keep. R. fiend 17:58, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dolphin (Plymouth pub)

Just a pub. The article even describes it as a "no-frills" pub. Got mention in CAMRA's "Good Beer Guide", but so do many pubs (and, last I checked, Wikipedia is not CAMRA's "Good Beer Guide") I guess it appeared in some animated TV show, but obviously, being animated, it was not actually in the show. I don't see how this is any more encyclopedic than any other pub in England. -R. fiend 14:59, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

• Keep - it is not any old pub. It is featured in paintings by Beryl Cook who is a very well known artist (despite not having a page yet) MyNameIsClare talk 15:07, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Is "someone painted it" a reason to keep the article? Why not mention it in Beryl's article, when she gets one? -R. fiend 15:15, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, not just any old pub, no reason to delete. Kappa 15:27, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
• Delete not notable. Dunc|☺ 15:46, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
• Delete; do we really want to set a precedent for every pub deserving an article? Agentsoo 16:32, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
  • The article has been there for nearly 3 years without that happening yet! MyNameIsClare talk 18:12, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. It's still just a little pub, folks. Should we start an article for the footbridge in Monet's Water Lilies next? Fernando Rizo T/C 16:36, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
• Keep The pub is a landmark of the Plymouth waterfront. People all over Britain Instantly recognise her paintings.
  • Yeah, it's just a bridge, I guess no-one needs to know who designed it or what style it is. Ignorance is bliss. Kappa 17:08, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
    • Nice personal attack, there. Fernando Rizo T/C 18:39, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
      • Nice way to avoid responding... Kappa 18:57, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
      • See your talk page, please. Fernando Rizo T/C 19:06, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
• Transwiki to a book on English pubs. — RJH 17:57, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
• Keep The pub is a landmark of the Plymouth waterfront. People all over the UK instantly recognise her paintings. The size of the pub should not be relevant in making the decision to delete the article. Also, the article is about the pub itself, not about the selection of beers it serves. I thought the goal of Wikipedia was to provide a reference about little known subjects as well as well known subjects. This article could potentially provide a resource to someone who has seen the painting and has wondered whether the establishment featured in the painting actually exists. How about having this article as a stub in preparation for the main article about Beryl Cook? Pigeonshouse 18:13, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
  • We're voting on this pub, not her paintings. And I just looked at her paintings on her website and, man, those are ugly. More significantly I only saw one that indicated any connection with the Dolphin, and really it could have well been any pub. It doesn't even seem to me she painted the pub exactly, but she painted people who happened to be in the pub, in a somewhat generic background. The pub itself is incidental. Most paintings in the world are of real places (if not most than very many) and I'm not sure being painted by a somewhat recognized, marginally talented painter is grounds for including every such thing in an encyclopedia. This isn't exactly Giverny. -R. fiend 18:41, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
    • Well for a start, whether you think her paintings are "ugly" or not is rather irrelevant. And she has painted a lot more pictures than are on the website, including the one shown in the top right of the pub's website - which is an accurate picture of the outside of the pub, and most certainly could not be "any pub". The same site has another picture of hers on the left hand side which features the landlord. I am not an expert on her paintings, but I am sure there are many others that are recognisably this particular pub. In addition, that website has reminded me that many of the Tolpuddle Martyrs were visitors - something which I think is notable MyNameIsClare talk 11:20, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
      • I'm aware that my opinions of her work is irrelevent; I just really thought it bad enough that I felt I had to say something. However, these not exactly great connections to various other things seem somewhat lacking. It's not mentioned in the articles for Beryl Cook (though I have no doubts someone here will add it in the next hour or so), nor the Tolpuddle Martyrs, and there doesn't even seem to be a page yet for Bosom Pals. So these seem sort of tenuous connections to sometimes pretty minor things. I think the Bosom Pals connection might be the best reason to keep, but I'd like to see an article there before I consider that a compelling reason. -R. fiend 22:56, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Notability is established in the article. Themindset 18:23, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
• Keep BBC animated comedy Bosom Pals with Dawn French doing voiceovers set here see website. [1] Capitalistroadster 18:53, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, notable pub and Plymouth landmark. the wub "?/!" 13:50, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. Appears notable. Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 23:52, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

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