Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Doctor Steel

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Article is a major fair use violation, among other things. 1ne 06:56, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Doctor Steel

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At any glance, this article is just a major fair use violation. With a partial read, it's impossible to tell if this is about a real individual and his band or a fictional individual used as part of an advertising campaign. Seeing as this does not really fall under any sort of speedy deletion, I'm listing this here as not having neutral verifiable sources as to the actual existence of this individual/band/copyright gallery. The talk page also raises some questions.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:23, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep. All Major fair use violations as well as descriptions over whether or not "Doctor Steel" or "Phineas Waldorf Steel" are real people have been settled with those who have contributed on the discussion pages as well as addressed within the articles respectively, It's another Stephen Colbert actor / real person debate, I like Colbert ;)--Fenixasin 1:20am Saturday, February 10, 2007 UTC
  • As far as the verifiable information Fenixasin has provided it to you. The issues of being verified has been addressed, as far as neutrality I assure you that no one is adding more than information. Third party individuals will also make their editing and corrections on the page. Wikipedia after is built on that very idea, the users will keep it neutral.- FleshMask 10:04 Friday, February 09, 2007 EST —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.112.60.244 (talk) 03:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC).
  • keep. I see no reason not to keep this article. It is part of a pop culture phenomenon, the character/persona is verifyable and there is considerable interest in the character. Additionally, there is a real person attached to the persona and that is also interesting in the same way as the Stephen Colbert persona is attached to the person Stephen Colbert. I don't disagree, however, that there is currently a commercial appearance to the article. The need to clean up the article has been identified and there are certainly editors available that appear to be willing to work on this requirement. Plus, Dr. Steel apparently has recruited an army of people who are likely to continue to resurrect it anyway. It makes sense to leave it and clean it up. Pete K 03:18, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. I want this article to not be deleted, it is in compliance with all wikipedia standards, as well as a very interesting on the basis of lyrical music and modern underground trends in music. -Fleshmask 10:54pm, 10 February 2007 EST — FleshMask (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Keep. I don't see why this article should be deleted. I think that it follows all the guidelines and in all honesty there is a real call from the fans to have something up on him. I see a problem with keeing this up at all. -Juju21

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  • Delete no reliable neutral sources, unverified.--Dakota 05:15, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - the subject matter is definitely valid, the article itself just needs some work. As far as the blurring of lines between person and persona, the situation is similar to that of MC Frontalot, Dr. Steel just takes the character aspect to further extremes. - Ugliness Man 08:45, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep - no plausible reason to delete this article,the information provided is verifiable.And also I have been able to find the url of the interview suicidegirls.com did with Dr.Steel.The Url should you choose to read is "http://suicidegirls.com/interviews/Dr.+Steel/".Resources would be better spent with positive and helpful comments to provide growth for this article instead of negative feedback concerning wether or not this entertainer is fictious.Again Phineas Waldolf Steel is a character created and adopted by Dr.Steel and should indeed be treated with dignity instead of nonchalance - Mentalatrophy— Mentalatrophy (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Keep I understand your concern over the fair use issues here, but I don't think that's grounds to delete the whole article. Doctor Steel seems to have enough third-party coverage to warrant an article. As for the fair use, especially the gallery of fair use images, they seem to be used with permission, so I would recommend putting the article up at Wikipedia:Fair use review. ShadowHalo 13:51, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep There is no reason to delete this article. The facts are verifiable and the information is up to date and correct. - Starkaven Madd 16:50, 10 February 2007 (EST) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Starkavenmadd (talk • contribs) 21:52, 10 February 2007 (UTC).— Starkavenmadd (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Keep. I want this article to NOT be deleted, please, as it's in full compliance with all Wikipedia standards, The phenomenon of Dr.Steel is surely to grow and so it would be great if Wikipedia already had such reference to this amazing performer! Information regarding the actual man behind the character is private of course as a celebrity performer - but he is real non-the-less. Thank you! ~BratPrince_Lestat —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BratPrince Lestat (talk • contribs) 03:38, 11 February 2007 (UTC).— BratPrince Lestat (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Keep This article is about a real individual with a fictional persona and a real band. All information is verifiable and up to date. Besides, anyone who can spawn a bi-coastal convention without a record contract should probably be included in the internet's equivalent of the sum of all knowledge, no?Cheshiresgrin 04:56, 11 February 2007 (UTC)— Cheshiregrin (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Merge into Phineas Waldolf Steel from what I've gathered, if this article followed Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction), then it would not be notable under WP:FICT. So merge. GracenotesT § 05:33, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Speedy Merge and Redirect with extreme prejudice. - Francis Tyers · 18:41, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. There is honestly nothing wrong with the artist's page. There's a page of a couple Professional wrestlers on here I've seen, and no one's ever heard of them before, but have used wikipedia to get known. for example, the human tornado. nobody in the midwest knew who this guy was, and yes, the page that was made for him helped out his career a little. But this artist is know throughout the world by many people without this page. With all honesty, This guy doesn't even need this page, cause he's gonna get a bigger fan base without it or not. But he has been in several shows, and magazines, and is a popular artist with no mainstream radio play. to make this kind of a name for himself with out that help is a rare thing, and that's deserving to be a part of wikipedia.— Yellowjacketrattlocke (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Merge into Phineas Waldolf Steel - or merge PWS into this one. Either way, the article(s) need(s) to be heavily edited to separate reality from promotion. For instance, Steel did get a brief appearance on Leno, but I'm not sure about Letterman (the pic might be photoshopped) and I think the Muppets thing is a pure bit of promotional fantasy. (Shame, cuz I think they'd be smashing together!) Anyway, I do think there should be an article about this guy, but we need more real info about the performer, which seems to be hard to get. --Jay (Histrion) (talk • contribs) 23:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.