Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Doctor Pk

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Kungfu Adam ^(talk) 17:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Doctor Pk

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Article already speedly deleted as "a7 nonnotable hacker" and then recreated. Even in this version, in my opinion, the article still doesn't prove Doctor Pk's notability and the 50000 defacements that the article say made by his hacking crew (but if the deface, aren't they crackers? lol) and recorded on Zone-h.org, aren't listed there (or maybe I didn't find them, anything is possible). But since the decision seems to be controversial, I brought the discussion here. by Snowolf (talk) on 02:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

• • Please read l33t hack3x comment Ahsan 07:30 19-jan-2007 (UTC)

• Deleteper nom. What a mess!. --Daniel J. Leivick 02:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. No sources, no notability. --- RockMFR 02:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete as speedying admin. Still a nonnotable hacker. NawlinWiki 03:10, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Notability is not asserted. Seems to have WP:COI problems. References down right rediculous, you cannot reference a name or company in general. Does not cite as per WP:CITE.--155.144.251.120 03:27, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
• Keep I think this page is not that bad, altho the refernces are not good but still i found some results on zone-h remind you (zone-h is only showing recent attacks archives) but still there are many links of this hacker defacements and group too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Altaf 23 (talk • contribs) 18-01-2007 (UTC)
• Weak Keep Article need some editing, i have seen this Group work on alldas.de and attriton.org but found nothing on zone-h.org(Total attacks: 553 of which 204 single ip and 349 mass defacements...perhaps they are updating?lol dont know)The hacker is from pakistan and got some search results too on googleand yahoosearch. --Ahsan 18 jan 2007 (utc)
  • Since you have done the search, you should be able to cite sources to demonstrate that the subject of this biographical article satisfies our Wikipedia:Criteria for inclusion of biographies. Neither anyone here nor any editor writing the article has cited any sources at all, so far. Uncle G 10:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Since L33t Hack3x now have done the search,i think now there`s no point in deleting this page.!! Ahsan 07:16. 19 jan 2007 (UTC)
• KEEP Nice work, people in pakistan do wana know about this. This will help and encourage other people to write more. The King 10:15, 18-01-07 (UTC)
  • If it encourages people to write unsourced biographies, then that is a bad thing. Wikipedia does not want unsourced biographies, nor does it want unsourced content in general. All content must be based upon sources. Please read our Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines. Uncle G 10:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Read the l33t Hack3x Comment please if you have any doubts about this hacker's nonotablity. Ahsan 07:25 19-jan-2007 (UTC)
• STRONG KEEP I just get myself register to write this comment, LOvely Work, nice article, excellent note i have never seen article`s on pakistani hackers so open albet its need a little fixing which i can do but i will recommand admins to keep this page on wiki, the link are weak but can be fix and alldas.de is soon comming with their old database so i guess their should`nt be any problem. And Snowwolf do you really know the differnce in hacker and cracker ?? if yes then WOW , if no then try this Hacker or Hack3r and ohh sorry i forget yes u know the meaning of hacker thats why u wrote that short funny note and laugh! but now a days the ethical are history try to get the point . pointing out someone`s mistake is easy but make it correct is hard !! As far as article is concern all the club names i.e. FBH(fedral bureau of hacking) PHC(pakistan hackers club) Gforce flooders or TheBugz they dont need ne refernce or links, u can just type their name on google and u can get the result !! And if DOCTOR_PK is nonotable hacker then i`ll must say .. Duh .. REad some news :) ... Anyways My vote is to KEEP ON !(DOCTOR_PK can be reached thro IRC but ummm i dont know wht ircd :( SO guess lets wait )
  P.S: BTW .. the author didnt mention other pakis groups like cyberwarriors a-i-c(anti india crew) paklords etc may be because he`s updated and knows that these group are finished L33t Hack3x 18 jan 07 (UTC)

• Comment Here i am back again, i searched for Doctor_Pk defacements and come up with RESULTS which is on Zone-h about Doctor_Pk web defecments Altho this link got only his few defacements but Still the Point is IT'S THERE !! u can Check his work on zone-h.org Here is the Link Mirrors and remind you that these defacements are recorded on early 2002 SO now you it makes easy for us to think about it. As far as the US Department of justice matter is concern i think it should be removed. I also wants to tell you That this hacker Doctor_Pk is also a X member of Group Called TheBugz u can check This Groups Defacements here is the direct link Bugz|mirrors and you can view Doctor_Pk name in crew list .. i m just pasting some links 1 2 3 so .. .. now all i have to say is Why not Someone from YOU who know`s good editing, edit this page and keeps it on WIKI...

M sure When Alldas.de is going to be up again Then there will be thousands of links for this Hacker !! Void.ru is closed now SO its now use to give that reference !! L33t Hack3x 04:10 19-jan-07

Since you can't "vote" twice, I've moved this comment below your previous one and titled appropriately. -- Kesh 03:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

• • Everything on Wikipedia requires references, per our Wikipedia:Verifiability policy. This is not a policy that one can "vote" down in AFD (which is a discussion, not a vote). The only way to counter it is to show that an article actually is verifiable. Uncle G 10:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete No keep points have asserted nobility and neither does the article. Needs to have done something notable as to be mentioned in media sites etc. Claims the the US Department of justice is a reference but can't actually provide any document etc. to confirm this. There is absolutely NOTHING in the article that is has a source or is cited. The references section is a complete joke, having a minor mention on a semi-notable site does not make you noteable. Keep voters above haven't provided any notable sources that are able to validate any of the article.--Dacium 07:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Delete as per Dacium. If a hacker isn't notable enough to have been convicted of at least one felony he shouldn't listed here. --Lee Vonce 17:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
• Delete poorly sourced, fails WP:BIO.-- danntm ^T _C 20:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
• quick comment to lee Vonce: a conviction isn't nessisary for hacker notability, but it is a quick way to see if they've caught anyone's attention. Captain Crunch was never convicted, but he invented Phreaking as we know it, for that matter the morris worm (widely regarded the first computer virus) lead only to probation and some community service. Wintermut3 21:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • quick reply: according to the article, Draper was convicted and sentenced to four months at Lompoc. In any case, there were other reasons Draper was notable. I don't see any reasons why Dr. Pk qualifies. --Lee Vonce 21:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Now that we have got links and references. Its not good to delete this page and scince as L33t Hack3x mentioned in his comment that when alldas.de is up again then there will be thousands of link . so i think we should keep this. Ahsan 07:20 19-jan-2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. The sources given don't actually verify anything, and certainly don't satisfy WP:N. In addition, we can't just wait until some other web archive comes up with the nebulous promise of more references. -- Kesh 15:56, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I think now we should keep this page and as far as waiting for alldas.de is concern, let me remind you in late 90's and 200-01 alldas was only major mirror`s recording site and if they are not operating anymore it doesnt mean that now that hacker dont exisit. The given links are satisfing. King 08:23 20-jan-2007 (UTC)
    • The links are not satisfying, and that's the problem. If alldas.de is not available, we cannot verify the assertions of the article, and it should be deleted. When/if alldas.de comes back up, if it provides verifiable information, then the article could be recreated with the proper references. There's no point in keeping up an unverifiable article based on the promise that someday there may be information to back it up. -- Kesh 03:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.