Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Doğan Türkmen

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep (non-admin closure). Pablo Talk | Contributions 07:50, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Doğan Türkmen

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None notable person. The only thing notable, is the assassination attempt, which is already covered in JCAG article. --VartanM 00:40, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Weak delete per nom. If otherwise notable, notability should be established. DenizTC 01:56, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Armenia-related deletions. —DenizTC 01:56, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletions. —DenizTC 01:56, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Redirect. If it's already covered in JCAG, then turn this page into a redirect. It doesn't need to go through a deletion discussion, and his name is a plausible search term for the assassination attempt. Thomjakobsen 02:13, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment i wanted to copy what I wrote on the talk page of Wikipedia:Notability here:
    Are [diplomats] treated as politicians for notability issues (which would make them notable)? I could not by myself decide whether Doğan Türkmen was notable enough to be on Wikipedia. He is a former Turkish diplomat who survived an attack of JCAG, an Armenian militant/terrorist org. People are suggesting a redirect to JCAG (possibly for something like WP:BLP1E), but I don't see the merits of it (would kinda understand if he was an operative of JCAG. As a wiki reader, I wouldn't expect to see JCAG, when I type in his name). Google scholar search returns three results. Probably all info on him on the web covers the attack, and most of them include him only for the attack. Please leave your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Doğan Türkmen. He was an ambassador. Also currently we don't have an article for the attack. Thanks. DenizTC 04:29, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep as sources indicate he was a full ambassador. It has never been part of a guideline or even WP:OUTCOMES but generally ambassadors and chiefs of mission (e.g. from the U.S. Liaison Office to China and ranking charge d'affaires have been kept. Mindful also of WP:CSB. --Dhartung | Talk 08:08, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Redirect to JCAG#Timeline of attacks (note the sub-heading redirect). He's not notable enough for a separate article, as most references only seem to give him a passing mention (not "significant coverage" per WP:N), and all are in the context of the event (per WP:BLP1E). If we ever have an article for the event, then it should be redirected there instead. —gorgan_almighty 08:49, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep he is notable; as an ambassador and attacked by terrorists. Redirecting is not a good way since would cover only attcking.Must.T C 10:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Being attacked by terrorists isn't inherently notable, because Wikipedia is not a news source. If you think he's notable apart from the attempted assassination, then provide sources to prove it. —gorgan_almighty 13:58, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep' Ambassadors have consistently been regarded as notable here. That there is additional news coverage is another plus, but he would be worth an article regardless, even if it were a stub. OUTCOMES is just a summary of the practice here, and I can not find an AfD in the last year that closed otherwise. DGG (talk) 19:05, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment What about other diplomats? By the way, the first external link is to an article by a Turkish Armenian journalist in Vatan, a Turkish newspaper, where he talks about a speech of Türkmen published in Hürriyet in 1980. The (quote from the) speech does not mention the assassination attempt, but the journalist does, when introducing Türkmen. Unfortunately, archives of Hürriyet go only back to 1997, so we (probably) don't have an access to the whole speech. This is the reason I said "mostof them include him only for the attack" above. I'll keep my vote for now. DenizTC 02:06, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep per DGG (for once we agree). Burntsauce 22:41, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep for now. If an article on the assassination attempt is created, a redirect is preferable unless more sources emerge for this ambassador. No reason at present for deleting verifiable information. Google reveals many sources, but mostly foreign language. TreeKittens 23:30, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete as it is not an article dedicated to the person, but to the attack (there arent any necessary details about him, where he was born, when, is there any notable activities by him?). Hundreds and thousands of ambassadors were attacked and wounded during the 1960-80s it cant be an enough reason for a separate article! Andranikpasha 19:29, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Redirect to JCAG#Timeline of attacks, as suggested above. Not notable enough for separate article on the person themselves. -- MightyWarrior 22:05, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak delete as coatrack article. Article isn't really about the person (of whom even the most basic biographical detail is still missing), but about the event; as such anything contained here can easily be covered in the article about the terrorist organisation. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:59, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


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