Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Disney Mothers

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. This article has undergone significant expansion/improvement since nomination, and as pointed out in the related AfD which I am closing shortly, the concept is not original research as indicated by the references provided herein; any OR existing in the article can be cleaned up. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:16, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disney Mothers

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The article is unsourced and reads like original research. It doesn't really have much content anyway, other than a blurb and a list. Wafulz (talk) 01:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

• Delete - unsourced, OR. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:45, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as unsourced original research, lacking in context. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 01:51, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep Le Grand Roi de Ican'tspellthatlastword seems to know what he's doing. I say that the subject is indeed verifiable and can be improved; however, either this needs a merge to Absent Mothers in Disney Films or vice versa. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 21:53, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and the above users. --On the other side ^Contribs|@ 02:02, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
• Comment I actually think this could be reworked into a decent article. The absence of mothers in Disney films is widely discussed in books - see [1], [2], [3], [4], [5]. I don't see anything to support the last sentence of the lead, though. Zagalejo^^^ 03:37, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

• Comment Could easily be an article topic per Zagalejo, but would need significant work (and the title is not the best). Disney did not invent the concept of the absent mother in children's literature but it is interesting that the company's products (during and after Walt) have relied so heavily on this device. --Dhartung | Talk 04:17, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. This stub is a start for an article on a subject with some potential. Google Scholar reports 67 hits on searches with Disney and "absent mother", a fairly substantial number. This thesis attempts to relate the phenomenon to traditional tales from the Grimms and Hans Christian Anderson, along with a lot of grad school pop psychology. There does seem to be a fair amount of room to improve this stub. Whether this should be about Disney specifically, or about the absent mother theme in folktales generally, are beside the point; the subject is valid, and the content worth saving as far as it goes. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 16:00, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete: A couple of unsourced sentences followed by a list. If an actual article can be written about the topic, it should start from scratch as there is nothing worth saving here. DCEdwards1966 (talk) 20:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
• Unsure - no suitable content at the moment but I think there could be enough reliable sources (such as [6] and [7]) which discuss the topic to support an article - although that would require someone finding them (and I haven't been able to). Guest9999 (talk) 02:41, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per existence of reliable sources and assertions of notability as indicated above. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 03:58, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as WP:OR. Redfarmer (talk) 15:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
  • It's not original research when the topic is already covered in reliable secondary sources, such as Geoff Shearer, "Disney keeps killing movie mothers: DISNEY is continuing its tradition of being G-rated entertainment's biggest mother flickers," Courier Mail (March 07, 2008); Ashli Ann Sharp, Once Upon a Time in a Single-parent Family: Father and Daughter Relationships in Disney's The Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast (Brigham Young University, 2006); Aisha Sultan, "What does Disney have against mothers?," ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH (03/15/2008); etc. Plus, we should give the article a chance as the article is only a couple of days old. There is no deadline on Wikipedia and the article has already improved since its original version on the 17th of March 2008 versus its current version. If at least three or more reliable, scholarly secondary sources were found in just two days, and the lead written in a prose fashion, I think the article clearly has realistic potential and should be given more than two days to expand further. Also, per our First pillar, articles on Disney characters are consistent with over thirty published specialized encyclopedias. Finally, various types of women and how they're depicted in Disney films have been the subject of book length studies published by University presses, such as this example. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 16:23, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
• Comment: There seems to be a new duplicate article of this one with a more descriptive name at Absent Mothers in Disney films. I have merged my improvements to both articles. Thus, per the GFDL, we should keep one of the two and redirect the other one without deletion. We should maybe consider somehow merging the two AfDs, as well. Best, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 17:23, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
• keep one, merge one No strong preference which way but Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles shows that this is an easily notable topic. JoshuaZ (talk)
• Keep at least one of these per "Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles" and JashuaZ. Hobit (talk) 03:13, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as original research by synthesis. This is not an encyclopedia article, it's an academic essay with a POV grounded in synthesis of a number of scholarly and media sources. --MCB (talk) 22:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep and re-title, per WP:HEY, WP:RS. Much improved, better sourced, scholarly and popular interest. Bearian (talk) 22:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.