Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dirty alice

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete. howcheng {chat} 18:36, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dirty alice

Band vanity. Google for '"Dirty Alice" band', '"Dirty Alice" "Chris Bristow"' and '"Dirty Alice" Rainbow'" (one of the band members, and their EP, respectively) returns basically nothing except a dead link to their promo page. FreplySpang (talk) 16:32, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

This AfD is being relisted to generate a clearer consensus. Please add new discussion below this notice. Thanks! Mo0[talk] 08:20, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

• Delete, fails WP:MUSIC, since self-releasing music on the Internet by the droves doesn't count. No verifiable claims of notability. - Bobet 03:09, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
• Comment: reverted vandalism (vote changing) by 80.1.224.12 at this point. - Bobet 18:38, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

• Comment: we all know that if its not on google it doesn't exist, this should most definately be deleted! I CANT USE THE INTERNET WITHOUT GOOGLE —the preceding unsigned comment is by 84.66.129.194 (talk • contribs) 10:54, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

• Comment: Fair enough was a bit of a knob-head, but FreplySpang's comment is not true as this band have a website and not just a dead "promo page" and I don't care what the guidelines say, if you release music "by the droves" on the internet then a band does count and IS important. Let the fans of this band have a page about them on wikipedia! —the preceding unsigned comment is by 80.1.224.12 (talk • contribs) 10:56, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

• Comment: Since the band do have a website and people actually enjoy their music and want them to have a page on Wikipedia it seems harsh to try and get it deleted. Unless a complete knowledge of all music and other peoples ideas and feelings can be claimed, (which i doubt it can!!!) then it would not be fair to remove this bands page. —the preceding unsigned comment is by 83.67.211.233 (talk • contribs) 11:11, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

• Comment: Having met the band personally, I can say that they are a nice bunch of lads who take their music seriously and produce some quality material.I was directed to Dirty Alice two years ago by a friend when I was looking to produce and release an album of my own - a compilation of christian rock songs - and they were so accommodating that we actually decided to pool our finances, ideas and musical talent to produce the album together. The album even managed to sell 14,700 copies in its first year of release! Its production was the best four months of my life. I've never learnt so much from a band before and we have been in regular contact since. Thanks again guys.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.1.224.12 (talk • contribs)

• Comment: I think that the whole 'self-releasing music on the Internet by the droves doesn't count' argument is quite frankly pathetic. Having seen the meteoric rise of the Artic Monkeys by creating a fanbase utilising the internet and music downloads, it seems stupid to dismiss the releasing of music via the internet. These Dirty Alice guys seem to have a pretty professional website so I reckon they may well be going places and this seems to be backed up by the fact that they played New York in 2004. Though it doesn't say where they played, for a band based in England to go all the way to New York to play a gig suggests that they are already getting recognition in the music world. The very fact that these guys seem to have dedicated a large amount of their time to produce a significant number of albums means they must have an already large and enthusiastic fanbase, so I'd just wait and see where this band is headed before you hastily delete the definition. Plus I think of Wikipedia as keeping me informed about popular culture - and this is most definitely popular culture. P.S The guy who says he can't use the internet without google is a moron. If he can't spell definitely then nobody should have to listen to his inane, ill-considered opinion!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.93.21.72 (talk • contribs)
  • Comment, self-releasing music doesn't cost a band anything, and doesn't require anyone else to have heard or liked the music. I could record a song on a mic in 2 minutes, put it on the internet and claim i'm a recording artist. That would not make me notable. If the band gets some mainstream media attention (like Arctic Monkeys which you mentioned), you can try again with the article. See WP:MUSIC for what's generally considered notable enough. - Bobet 12:06, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

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