Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dip snap
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was DELETE. Rlevse 02:42, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Dip snap
Non-notable neologism. The article does not cite reliable sources and, not suprisingly, there don't appear to be any. ObiterDicta ( pleadings • errata • appeals ) 01:04, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. Um, yeah. Wikipedia is not the Urban Dictionary. FreplySpang 01:23, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- Keep I made this article when I still didn't know most of the rules of Wikipedia, so I understand if you delete it, but it is a commonly used term/act of some cultural significance (notice the edits other than my own.) I'm not sure where those of you that say "Delete" are from, or how old you are, but Dip Snap is a generally understood term amongst DC area teens (obviously not the best argument, but it's true.) One thing I can't seem to understand is why this isn't culturally significant enough and individual high schools, subway stations, etc. are... Perhaps I'd change my vote if I could understand this paradox. The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines an encyclopedia (the thing which we are all trying to create here) as "a work that contains information on all branches of knowledge." How can we claim to be making an encyclopedia if we leave out certain branches of knowledge? Let it be Science, History or Greater Washington, DC area vernacular, they all have a place in this collection of all the world's knowledge. I apologize for not citing this, but I can't see how I could... To my knowledge, there aren't a whole lot of Doctoral Dissertations written about chewing tobacco culture. Perhaps I could have some help finding citations, rather than just deleting my work without first attempting to help me work on it? Vint 02:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Adding on to my last comment, I have found mention of this action here [[1]]. Obviously this is just other people, not a citation, but it proves the cultural significance. I also found a passing mention on the description of a portable spittoon here [[2]], will this work as a citation? Vint 03:14, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry, but no. You say I apologize for not citing this, but I can't see how I could... That's the whole problem. Maybe you could try writing about this at Urban Dictionary. ObiterDicta ( pleadings • errata • appeals ) 04:02, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- You don't have to be a jerk about it, this is supposed to be a civil discussion, and being snooty about it isn't helping anyone. Did you even look at the links I put in the last comment? The article is not about the term Dip Snap, which I admit is a neologism, it is about the act of packing the snuff, the motion and act of which is widely called the dip snap. While the term for it may not be the apt term, I intended to write an article about packing the dip, not the actual term Dip Snap. Urban Dictionary is intended for neologisms, like "STFU" or something like that, not for a description of an act. While I'm not going to change my vote just yet, could we at least agree on an alternative, perhaps moving it to Packing (snuff) or something along those lines? PS There is already a perfectly good entry on Urban Dictionary. Vint 04:35, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- I apologize if you took offense. It wasn't my intent to be insulting. I was merely trying tomake the point that since dip snapping wasn't covered in reliable sources, WP couldn't do an article about it but that you could write about it elsewhere. I did look at the first source (the second one was a broken link). ObiterDicta ( pleadings • errata • appeals ) 04:56, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- You don't have to be a jerk about it, this is supposed to be a civil discussion, and being snooty about it isn't helping anyone. Did you even look at the links I put in the last comment? The article is not about the term Dip Snap, which I admit is a neologism, it is about the act of packing the snuff, the motion and act of which is widely called the dip snap. While the term for it may not be the apt term, I intended to write an article about packing the dip, not the actual term Dip Snap. Urban Dictionary is intended for neologisms, like "STFU" or something like that, not for a description of an act. While I'm not going to change my vote just yet, could we at least agree on an alternative, perhaps moving it to Packing (snuff) or something along those lines? PS There is already a perfectly good entry on Urban Dictionary. Vint 04:35, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry, but no. You say I apologize for not citing this, but I can't see how I could... That's the whole problem. Maybe you could try writing about this at Urban Dictionary. ObiterDicta ( pleadings • errata • appeals ) 04:02, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- Adding on to my last comment, I have found mention of this action here [[1]]. Obviously this is just other people, not a citation, but it proves the cultural significance. I also found a passing mention on the description of a portable spittoon here [[2]], will this work as a citation? Vint 03:14, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete. Per Wikipeida Articles on neologisms "The first is that Wikipedia is not a dictionary, and so articles simply attempting to define a neologism are inappropriate." Knehcsa 03:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- Weak keep, if it can be verified. BuickCenturyDriver (Honk, odometer) 04:06, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- Delete "It is often used by "dippers" as a sort of secret calling card, to announce to other "dippers" who know what he is doing that he is a fellow "dipper"." No notibility outside of dippers (whatever they are)--Dacium 04:26, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- Delete, if this action is not an integral part of multiple, non-trivial, notable, published (i.e. easily re-accessible) item, then it probably should not be kept as an article. I could make a huge number of hand gestures from combinations of motions, and even notice where one is regularly used, but this does not mean that it should be an article. Merge a description of this motion into where it is frequently and used, according to a reliable source, and merge any information about the creation of the neologism into the article about the person or group that invented the word. GracenotesT § 04:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Thank you, that was clear, concise, and didn't make me feel like crap, I will change my vote to Delete, which I believe allows this to be put up for instant deletion, due to author agreement, or whatever it's called. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable could do that for me, I don't know how. Vint 04:46, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, just checked, and I had to have created this article mistakenly to put it up for speedy deletion, so I guess this is all I can do, but I, the creator of this article, agree to stop bickering and allow it to be deleted without further conflict. Vint 04:52, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you, that was clear, concise, and didn't make me feel like crap, I will change my vote to Delete, which I believe allows this to be put up for instant deletion, due to author agreement, or whatever it's called. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable could do that for me, I don't know how. Vint 04:46, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete To be honest and with respect the article contains no relevant information, it fails WP:NN and WP:NOT#DICTIONARY.Tellyaddict 18:01, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - per nom. Neologism that is unsourced from April 2006. Ronbo76 01:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
- 'Keep -This is a very important cultural phenomenon. Ali G is a sufficient outside source.
- Delete - non-notable even if it were to magically become sourced, which it won't. 声援 -- The Hybrid
- Delete. Inadequate supporting references, which immediately eliminates this article from consideration. Further, appears to be a dictionary definition, so is any any case more appropriate for Wiktionary. The reference to the performer, though interesting, is not an acceptable reference because the "dip snap" is not a principal subject of any of the performer's discourses. WMMartin 14:10, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
- Keep - Dip snapping is a great way to ward off the unwanted nearby squirrel, and people around lots of squirrels need to know what they can do for personal defense. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.63.6.45 (talk) 15:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC).
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
