Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dietrich Man

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep A good example of the kind of situation where google cannot be the main method of research. DES ^(talk) 15:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dietrich Man

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Non notable person. ~ Wikihermit 04:56, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

As a historical bishop he would be notable, but the article would need references to support that. Agathoclea 06:55, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

• Delete unless references are provided. I couldn't find any [1]. Tizio 10:17, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

  Hmm... the notability of 14th century bishops might be a good example of something that shouldn't be evaluated by just a Google search. While I wouldn't say all historical bishops are automatically notable, relying on google alone for information (teh internets being a relatively recent development) is probably a poor idea. --JayHenry 14:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Please note that I am not referring to notability. I am referring to verifiability. I said "unless reference are provided"; turn it around and it will be "if references are provided, keep". Tizio 14:47, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

  Okay, a fair point. I just meant that google isn't a good place to search for references on this. --JayHenry 15:36, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Agathoclea said "As a historical bishop he would be notable". I fully agree with that. Notability should not under discussion here. Tizio 14:48, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. Strangely I could find several references. What about this one? [2] I added it to the article. He'll be in Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie as well I would imagine. Nick mallory 13:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
  • That establishes that Dietrich II was bishop of Havelberg. What about the fact that his name was Dietrich Man? What about the rest of the article? Tizio 13:58, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Has the original author been contacted? Last time I checked he created a number of articles on that theme-complex, which with a bit of coaching could get us the sources. What strikes me as odd though is that those articles appear on enwiki and not first on dewiki. Agathoclea 16:24, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
• It seems to be true, at least it is consistent with what dewiki says at de:Liste der Bischöfe von Havelberg. I'll try to find some more sources so we can keep this. Kusma (talk) 18:01, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

  The story is that of the de:Wunderblutkirche (Bad Wilsnack), and the links there confirm part of the story. I would like to see some better sources, but now I believe the article to be verifiable with some extra research (got some snippets from Google Books but nothing really citeworthy). Unfortunately he is not in ADB (I tried to search for all bishops called Dietrich). Kusma (talk) 18:59, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

  I found a reference via Google books: [3] (sorry for the long link, check page 58, in German). Kusma (talk) 19:18, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

• I found a Dietrich von Man here:

  "Felix ESCHER, Art. Dietrich von Man (OPraem) († 1385). 1370-1385 Bischof von Havelberg, in: Erwin GATZ (Hg.), Clemens BRODKORB (Mitarb.), Die Bischöfe des Heiligen Römischen Reiches 1198 bis 1448. Ein biographisches Lexikon, Berlin 2001, 1, S. 236"

  --Boson 19:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

  That's him. The "von" is in parentheses in my source, though. We should get some sources that cover the first paragraph and tell us something about the family (all I found so far is only about his time as bishop). Kusma (talk) 19:27, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

• Keep as notable. Verifiability is possible. Bearian 18:48, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.