Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diegueño Middle School

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. —Xyrael / 10:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Diegueño Middle School

Diegueño Middle School (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

I nominated the page for deletion because of the lack of references. It is likely that this school misses the criteria for notability if there is nothing independently written and published about it. Itsmejudith 16:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

It's now listed.--Rmky87 20:40, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Non-notable primary/middle school. --- RockMFR 23:37, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Nothing notable in article & I can't find anything notable to add from Google Search -- Windymilla 20:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep - Switching to keep having seen latest version of article with references, etc. -- Windymilla 16:30, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment - this what these characters who keep nominating schools should be doing - rewriting or merging thoughtfully rather than forcing us to keep having to keep turning up to vote Albatross2147 23:27, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep The school has been recognized twice by the Blue Ribbon Schools Program, the highest award granted to any school by the United States Department of Education, and one of the strongest claims of notability that an American school can make. The school is also a two-time winner of the California Distinguished School award, the state's highest honor. As such, the school meets and exceeds the retention criteria set by WP:SCHOOL. Failure to find additional information in searches may be the result of the presence of a diacritical mark over the "n" in the school's name. Alansohn 07:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep article has references and the school has won major awards. It is thus likely that the nominator needs to reconsider this nomination. --JJay 13:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)'
• Keep The article needs expanded, but there is more than enough here to identify some degree of notability. Trusilver 02:11, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
• keep notable school!!! Audiobooks 21:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Commnet Do you have a reason for finding it notable? Note that exclamation points don't make it more notable. JoshuaZ 04:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. The "Blue Ribbon Schools Program" defense is no defense, see other AfDs. wikipediatrix 02:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
  • If you mean that there is a precedent that other deletionists have trivialized the award, you're unfortunately correct. If you're citing precedent to justify deletion, I don't think you can find a single school in which recognition as a Blue Ribbon Schools Program has been cited in both the article and in the AfD, has ever been deleted. The "Blue Ribbon Schools Program" defense seems to have a perfect track record. That this school has been recognized twice by the highest honor in the country only makes your failure to follow precedent more disturbing. Alansohn 03:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
    • I keep bouncing back and forth about the Blue Ribbons. On the one hand they are the highest generic award given to schools. On the other hand, it is a generic award and almost by definition if it doesn't receive any coverage the award shouldn't mean much. On the other hand, if a school is a blue ribbon school such coverage almost certainly does exist if we searched hard enough and the school likely has other notable achievements so we may see that as a reason for temporary reprieves until more investigation can be done. JoshuaZ 04:35, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep for now per my above Tevye impression. The Blue Ribbon school thing is a claim of notability and I'd rather err somewhat on the side of caution. JoshuaZ 04:36, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. WMMartin 18:27, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
• Delete more regrettable schoolcruft. Eusebeus 00:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Multiple major awards demonstrate notability, such as the Blue Ribbon Award (the highest honor that an American school can achieve) and as a repeat California Distinguished School recipient. Yamaguchi先生 03:26, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

The Blue Ribbon is the "highest honor" that an apple pie can receive at the county fair, too, but so what? As already deconstructed on other AfDs, the schools nominate themselves for the award. Thousands of schools get them. It's not an especially compelling demonstration of notability. wikipediatrix 03:37, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

This is a much different Blue Ribbon award, please do not be so disingenuous. Yamaguchi先生 03:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Um, I know it's a different Blue Ribbon. The point is that the relative value of awards are subjective and that there is no evidence that the Blue Ribbon Schools Program bestows Wikipedia notability on the recipient of said award. (Did you know that not all winners of Oscars, Emmys, and Tonys qualify for their own articles?) wikipediatrix 04:04, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to run off-topic, but you have aroused my interest: which Academy Award winners are you referring to? You can comment on my user page if you prefer. Yamaguchi先生 04:12, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

• Keep per Yama the hammer of the skewl deletionists Albatross2147 23:24, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.