Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Die mannequin

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was nomination withdrawn. Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 00:39, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Die mannequin

Die mannequin (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

non-notable band; I will be nominating the lead singer as well. Brianyoumans 18:22, 23 November 2006 (UTC) I have also nominated Care Failure. --Brianyoumans 19:05, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Strong Keep meets the criteria of WP:BAND cause Die Mannequin has gone on a national concert tour in Canada, opening for Guns'N'Roses on the eastern leg of their North American tour, which is reported in two newspaper articles stated there, they have released one album and will release another one on EMI, as stated in the EMI bio stated there, they have been featured in many published works, stated in the references. And by the way, Bryanyoumans is on a personal vendetta, trying to destroy many articles that I started cause I questionned his ways on wikipedia. He even states on my talk page that he submitted those two articles indirectly because of the unfriendly message I left on his talk page! Terveetkadet
  • And Keep the Care Failure entry too cause she has credit for writing lyrics AND music for Die Mannequin. And please do something about this "delete crazy" guy Bryanyoumans!205.237.53.91
    • Comment From their edit histories, I would suspect that 205.237.53.91 and Terveetkadet are either the same person, or are friends who tend to work together. --Brianyoumans 19:36, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment Shut up, you paranoid fool! I AM the same person, I just forgot to Log in! ! Give me a break!Terveetkadet
  • Delete. Not notable by any stretch of the imagination. --humblefool® 19:38, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep -- meets WP:BAND with 15,000+ Google citations. I've heard of the band, though its music is not my style. They've opened for Guns n' Roses on tour, plus they have a large fan following north of the border and oversears. --Mhking 19:58, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
  • There do seem to be a lot of Ghits, although when I looked, there seem to be only 367 unique. Are there references to the Canadian tour? I thought they only opened for a few of the shows. --Brianyoumans 22:29, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep - Meets criterion 3 of WP:BAND and is verified with sources. May also meet criterion 6 because of association with DFA1979. I urge ignorance of Terveetkadet's trolling above when reviewing this article. Chubbles1212 20:07, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Procedural note: there was a template here indicating that the above user may be a sockpuppet of User:Terveetkadet. However, the template is supposed to go on userpages only, and I have removed it. theProject 06:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
      • My mistake; I placed that template, and I meant it to refer to the user below, not to myself. Thanks for the heads-up. Chubbles 06:26, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep: Wikipedia has an article by Brianyoumans on Adamu Tesfaw; arguably a much less notable artist than Die Mannequin, as far as the English version of Wikipedia is concerned. So why can we not have the Die Mannequin article? I, for one, found it very useful. Brianyoumans has posed no valid reason to delete this article, other than his own opinion. Wikipedia, would be greatly undermined if the opinions of individual users began to dictate what is relevant content and what is not. Please do not remove this article. ThomasArgon 22:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC) — ThomasArgon (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • I have in fact considered the notability requirements for bands. The requirements under Wikipedia:Notability (music) as listed: #1, charted hit - no claim for that in article; #2, gold record - ditto; #3 - international or national concert tour - the article claims that they "opened a few dates" for Guns and Roses (which is good, I admit). I haven't seen a reference that this constituted a tour of Canada. #4 - two or more albums released - no; #5 - featured in multiple non-trivial sources - I haven't seen proof of that; the articles referenced in the article are mostly small mentions in articles on the G&R tour; #6 - contains at least one member who is a member of a notable group - no (Jesse Keeler played on the EP, but is not a member of the group); #7 - most notable representative of a style - not claimed in article; #8 - major award - no; #9 - won a competition - no; #10 - performed notable theme music or soundtrack - no; #11 - placed in major network rotation - no claim of such; #12 - subject of at least half hour feature - no. So.... I'm open to withdrawing this nomination if anyone adds references for any of these, but, until then, they are a band with one EP out. --Brianyoumans 02:39, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, does not meet WP:BAND. "Sources" cited are about a Guns 'n Roses tour, not about this band, and do nothing to establish this one's notability. Seraphimblade 02:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
  • KEEP has a lot of radio airplay in Canada, opened for GNR and is signedon EMI as well as regularly featured in many big Canada newspapers.24.226.160.237
  • STrong Keep: Very important to the future —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.89.248.93 (talk • contribs) — 24.89.248.93 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Comment More references added, including the McGill Daily article, stating that the band not only opened for Guns'N'Roses but also for BuckCherry on their Canadian tour and also that they made a few Canadian tours themselves. Terveetkadet
  • KEEP Band opened for Guns N' Roses in Toronto, Ottawa, Quebec, Halifax, and St. John (how many provinces are considered for it to be a national tour?), also for BuckCherry, in addition to their own tours and are signed to a major label. Also appeared at EdgeFest (major Canadian festival) on the Next Big Thing stage. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.12.4.175 (talk • contribs) . — 74.12.4.175 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
    • I'm not completely impressed with the McGill article - it seems to be based on the interview with Care Failure, and I'm not sure what her idea of "brief Canadian tours" is. But if they did if fact open 4 dates for G&R, I'd probably be down to a "weak delete" myself. The article is looking more notable. --Brianyoumans 07:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
    • CommentYou know what? I don't care if you're "impressed" or not! You're a delete-crazy fool and I just want to make sure that this important article is saved from your stubborn self... Will you drop the matter once and for hall? And Die Mannequin DID open ALL THE GUNS AND ROSES DATES IN CANADA THIS FALL. This means 5 or 6 dates now (if you read the articles that you, silly references freaks, thrive on) and counting...Terveetkadet
      • Comment. Terveetkadet - You realize that an administrator is going to look at this AfD page, and they're going to delete your article, right? And not because the band isn't notable, but because you have handled this in an utterly foolish manner. Because you have turned your addition to Wikipedia into a personal assault, no one is going to pay attention to the band's entry, only your sockpuppeting and vitriol. And the result is, Die Mannequin will become a red link. I suggest crossing out (with the <s> and </s> tags) all of your ad hominem attacks and sock-puppeted votes, as a measure of courtesy. Chubbles 16:40, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
        • Comment I think that administrators are supposed to review these pages on the matter of the subject in question and NOT delete an item just because I argued with a guy who's trying to destroy my work in a way that you don't approve. I respect every person who made a comment here EXCEPT brianyoumans cause he destroyed my work in the past, he wants to destroy it again and he takes pride in the numerous pages he deleted. He even lists them in his user page. So sorry but NO <s> and </s> tags) for that guy. But I kindly ask you if you could retract your accusations of "sockpuppetry" cause I NEVER made such a thing. Prove it if you can.Terveetkadet
  • Nomination Withdrawn - I was not able to verify the tour dates from any of the references in the article, but after a good bit of research, I found a tour listing on Guns N Roses Daily that verifies that Die Mannequin did in fact open 5 shows for them in Canada, in Halifax, Toronto, Quebec City, Ottawa, and St. John's. I think that probably constitutes enough of a tour to establish some notability, so I will withdraw this nomination. Kudos to Terveetkadet and others for improving the article quite a bit during this discussion. --Brianyoumans 12:28, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.