Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Devourment

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. --JodyB Roll, Tide, Roll 01:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Devourment

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Contested speedy. Band badly fails WP:BAND. Not signed to a recognized label, no references other than their own website and Myspace (remember, WP:YMINAR). Suspected WP:COI. Realkyhick 19:06, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment: For some reason, the article is showing the link to this debate as a redlink for me. Anyone know what the problem is? J Milburn 20:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC) (Fixed itself.) J Milburn 14:16, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
  • This should be speedily deleted per A7. Also, they have a couple of albums which need to meet the same fate. faithless (speak) 21:19, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
    • Believe me, I tried the speedy route. Please speedy the albums too. Realkyhick 08:03, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep:The band shouldn't be deleted. They are fairly well known and are important in their sub-genre. They have over 5000 listeners on last.fm and are considered to be one of the fist bands to play 'Slam Death Metal'.Also there are much smaller bands on this site on unknown labels as well that haven't been proposed for deletion. But i'll admit that the article needs improving Bloodredchaos 08:09, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
    • WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS is not a valid argument for keeping an article. (This is a recording.) Realkyhick 16:50, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
      • The band is notable. I mentioned the influence that they have on their genre. It's not like I added some bedroom myspace project. The band is actually well known in the metal community. Most brutal death metal fans have probably at least heard of them. They've been reviewed by many websites and are one of the most well known bands in their subgenre (slam death metal). They also have two full lengths and have toured and played festivals with notable bands. I don't understand why they fail in notability. Bloodredchaos 09:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep. Nice article on Rockdetector already linked from our article, and a couple of passing mentions on the very reliable Decibel Magazine which seem to back up how influential the band is. There are thousands of reviews out there in other places too. A Google search for Devourment review brutal turns up a sackload of reliable reviews of their various albums- four here, one here, two here (but the site seems a little slow...) another, another, one on a horribly formatted site describing them as having a 'cult' status, an article describing one of their albums as 'one of the best regarded brutal death metal albums' and so on. Oh, and I've heard of them. They're notable. J Milburn 14:14, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
    • On another note, I am working on a complete rewrite of this article in one of my sandboxes. J Milburn 14:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
    • No one has argued that the article should be deleted because we've never heard of them. I argued that it should be speedied because the article does not assert the band's notability (it still doesn't). Aside from that, it only cites one source, and that's one that I just added. faithless (speak) 15:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
      • Sorry, yes, I didn't mean to imply that anyone has suggested that, it was a comment that appealed to my own sense of humour. The reference you have provided, combined with the external links, provide enough potential sources to assert notability. In this case, external links is additionally being used as a holding area for sources before their content is integrated into the article, or information already in the article is attributed to them. There is absolutely no way I would speedy this, personally. The article does assert the notability of the subject by providing these sources. J Milburn 15:57, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Keep. This article has existed for several years, and it appears the only reason it's being nominated for deletion now is that a 'recent deaths' listing for Wayne Krupp has led the typical "I don't know anything about this and I've never heard about it, so I want it deleted" crowd into nominating it for deletion. I also disagree with the vague 'assertion of notability' comment above. The article suggests that this band invented a sub-genre of music; that is an assertion of notability. Perhaps the article needs pruning, but don't cut down the whole tree.Ryoung122 11:39, 22 September 2007 (UTC)


The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.