Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Devil Fruit

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete --JForget 23:16, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Devil Fruit

Devil Fruit (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (delete) – (View log)

Unnotable fictional fruit item from the manga and anime series One Piece. Completely fails WP:FICT. This is a failed PRODs that was deprodded by an IP with no reason given. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:34, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages because it is an even more detailed list of the same fictional fruit that also fails WP:FICT, is unnotable, and was deprodded by the same IP:

List of Devil Fruits (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:34, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. -- -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:34, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delete both Overly detailed, in-universe, non-notable... Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 03:05, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delete both - immense amount of in-universe cruft, failing WP:WAF. Asserts no notability otherwise to meet WP:FICT. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 03:18, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delete both and merge any useful information in One Piece. Zero Kitsune (talk) 03:33, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delete - Worth a mention in the One Piece article. If anything, it might need to be Cursed Fruit (currently a redirect) since that is the verifiable name given in the English dub; otherwise it could be construed as WP:OR in terms of naming and translation choice. --Stomme (talk) 09:08, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
• delete and move to close discussion —Preceding unsigned comment added by SuperSuperBoi (talk • contribs) 11:17, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delete both as the individual who originally brought List of Devil Fruits to Collectonian's attention. —Dinoguy1000 15:16, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per all of the above reasonings. Greg Jones II 17:19, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Can an expanded explanation of why pages fail WP:FICT be provided for a notable object in a notable anime. The object itself maybe unnotable outside readers of the source manga but so is Jutsu (Naruto), List of Omnitrix aliens, and Magic in Harry Potter unnotable outside communities familiar with their respected sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.177.74.135 (talk) 19:15, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Being "notable" within the series does not mean that it is really notable. The series notability is not inherited by its individual fictional elements. To pass WP:FICT, the specific element must have received significant coverage in third-party reliable sources. There is no such coverage for the topic of One Piece's "Devil Fruit." For the three you listed, notice they are all tagged for issues (and I added a notability tag to the HP and alien list ones). Jutsu, I believe, is slated for merging or to be overhauled in the on-going Naruto clean up. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:18, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Does this also apply to Iron Man's armor, Zanpakutō, Orc (Middle-earth), Jedi, Kryptonite and Saiyan?203.177.74.135 (talk) 19:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

It applies to ALL fictional articles. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 20:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

• Delete both Damn, all reasons have already been stated by other editors. No notability outside the context of the series. --Enric Naval (talk) 04:22, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Aside from reasons being repearedly stated, how shall the information be handeled should it be deleted. Will it be merged onto the One Piece main article? The topic in discusssion is kinda a part of the series as Force (Star Wars) is a part of Star Wars. Aren't separate pages required if the scope of a subject is too big for a single article? What is a reliable source that can be used for a fictional object? Does the other language pages count as notability? Is deletion the only solution? Why are Iron Man's armor, Shinigami (Death Note), and Zanpakutō not also up for deletion, they have no notability outside their series? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.127.173.230 (talk) 05:47, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

So far, the consensus is complete deletion. Any necessity for mentioning it in the other One Piece articles are already there. As for the rest, if they don't meet notability, go registered and nominate them. We can't get to every last one at the same time, we take them as we can. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 06:09, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

The list of fruits can always be tranwikied to a wiki specialized on that stuff, of course. As for those articles, feel free to nominate for deletion. After all, bigger sacred cows have fallen, see Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Darth_Vader's_helmet for an example --Enric Naval (talk) 06:59, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.