Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Determinism and Randomness

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was userfy. --bainer (talk) 15:00, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Determinism and Randomness

• Article presents many POV issues. Grendel 17:54, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete: No references, so at this point it looks like WP:OR --AbsolutDan ^(talk) 18:09, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete POV and an essay. SM247^{My Talk} 00:27, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as WP:NOR & NPOV fail. Also redundant, since Determinism and Randomness already exist. Original title of this was Determinism and Randomness for a lay man, which is now a redirect. Suggest both be deleted.--DaveG12345 10:35, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as artificial conflation of two topics in order to contrast and present original research. Wikipeida is not a debate hosting grounds; this is akin to a POV fork - an artificially created article in order to present a bias. KillerChihuahua^?!? 10:39, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, but a good starting point for an interesting debate (on some other site). 66.243.196.131 02:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
• Can This article be merged with the main Determinism article? This article was created primarily because main article has serious issues .It simultaneously deals with philosophical and scientific views of determinism, going into too much depth into either aspects,failing to provide a concise and understandable explanation of the theory,atleast to the average wikipedian .As you can see this article only deals with the scientific aspect of determinism (not just at the quantum level but the broader aspect of it). I am sorry for not adding any external links or references; that will be done shortly.Kindly choose which is more appropriate:

1. Let the article remain in wikipedia after the addition of external links and references.
2. Merge the article with the main determinism article in some way or editing the main article atleast to make it more understandable,etc.
3. Delete the article altogether.

Raghavb 15:04, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

The primary problem with the article (in my opinion) is that it's written like an essay. I'm not sure the topic could realistically be written otherwise, but I could certainly be wrong. However with this AfD expiring so soon, I suggest copying it all to a subpage of your userpage ("userfying" it) and working on it there. If you want to do this you can indicate it here and I can help you out, or the closing admin can userfy it for you (I think).

If/when you can improve it to meet WP guidelines for an article, perhaps you could mention it on the talk page of the original article or some other place where experts on the topic can discuss it. If it's then deemed to be appropriate for the main namespace, it can always easily be moved (or a deletion review could be requested).

The point is, even if this article is deleted, it doesn't have to be the "end of the line" for the topic, if it can truly be turned into a good article. --AbsolutDan ^(talk) 15:42, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Response to Raghavb: The article still poses no relevancy to begin with. Wikipedia's Determinism article is very detailed, and covers pretty much all aspects of this sphere of philosophy. Your article, at best, is an opinioned and highly dumbed down version for laymen. It reads like a poor essay lacking any sense of neutrality, though tries desperately to present itself as irrefragably factual -- more so with your recent edits, which contain phrases such as "many philosophers accept so and so to be true," although such statements lack any citation. Sorry, but Wikipedia is not a place for POV-pushing. The article needs to be removed. Also, Causal Determinism is likely nothing more than an attempt to resurrect this article, and should be deleted just as well. If you have anything important to contribute regarding Determinism, then please do so in the main article.

We can't have entries about an individual's opinions and beliefs being littered about Wikipedia. It's simply a waste of bandwidth. Grendel 04:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

By the way, I also move that this be deleted. As pointed out above, if you have anything to contribute to Determinism, (that is, provided that it is actually relevant and does not lack citation) then do so within the main article. Grendel 04:34, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. i created the article and i want it deleted.POV and NOR issues hav been dealt with.
  the entire contents of this article are being moved to Causal Determinism as they are more appropriate
  under that heading .The article on Causal Determinism is presently a stub.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.