Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Destination X Hawaii

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. -- lucasbfr talk 12:35, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Destination X Hawaii

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Non-notable production raised in a recent AfD debate. As it happens, a directed Google search for this show (leaving out this article, Myspace and Youtube) turns up only 54 unique hits, which is a cut beyond awful for a show actually airing where people can see it. None of those hits are from a reliable, published, third-party source per WP:V. Furthermore, this is both a WP:SPAM and a WP:COI violation, since User:MichelleWinkofer, the creator of the article, is a public relations staffer working for the program's producer, and her sole Wikipedia activity has been to promote himself and his works; see the previous AfD for details.  RGTraynor  12:46, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete seems to be a non-notable show available in limited markets on limited networks. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak keep It was noted in the AFD on the show's producer that it is carried on Dish Network, a satellite channel subscribed to by 20 million viewers, and that it was in the top 25% in some measure of viewership per [1]. Not sure what that site is measuring or how it translates into market share comparable to Nielson ratings. (I would tune it in if my cable system carried it). Edison 18:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: Err, inaccurate. That's not in the top 25% of viewership. It's 61st out of 250 in airings. For all we know, those 30 airings could represent 4 AM paid advertisement showings on the Grass Hut Channel.  RGTraynor  19:07, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete There may be 20 million Dish Network subscribers, but Water Channel is an extremely obscure channel in their service. DarkAudit 19:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
  • "Comment:" I am a newbie to Wikipedia and did not intentionally want to create any violation in the creation of pages for Destination X Hawaii or its creator . I believe I can exercise the WP policy of correction of misinformation though, especially when its infers "disses". Just presenting facts here as is allowed especially if there is misinformation?. The TV series is in fact the most widely distributed travel and educational show ( its not American Idol, sorry) about Hawaii: Thats verified by a third party resource that tracks all shows including educational and travel shows in America.:[2].

The travel and educational series Destination X Hawaii is cast with primarily non caucassions and is about about a culture that seems to get "dissed" quite a bit; Hawaii. It took this culture decades to have the Grammy acknowledge this culture's contribution to media too. The travel and education TV series about Hawaii gets instead the typical "whitebread" perspective and a clear diss to the culture with a remark by an an editor about the suggestions of its airing on the "The Grass Hut" Channel. A listing of all stations that it airs on is listed at the referenced Back Channel Third party tracking site. What Wikipedia policy says an education and travel show has to have a certain Neilson rating? Ask most in the Hawaiin culture how they feel about such disses and suggestions when you put the words Hawaii from our TV series, you get a reply of "Grass Hut" and they will tell you they are typical. The Water Channel is hardly obscure, its two channels down from the Travel Channel on Dish TV. The TV series is also viewable online where editors can see its importantance in revealing the culture, and traditions and spirit of Aloha to viewers. The content and cultural context of the series is important content and often overlooked by the those not interested and those that think Hawaiians all live in grass huts. The show is published online by a third party site that has to approve content and broadcasts only premier programming including Destination X Hawaii and programs from A&E and The Discovery Channel in HD online [http://www.vuze.com/content/BucketBrowse.htm?sp=X&sp=X&sp=X&sp=1&sp=SNAME&sp=SALL&sp=l59&sp=X&sp=S&sp=X&sp=X&sp=1}. So viewers who cant view it like the editor who said he could not get it, can check its content out online and in HD. The site where its broadcast worldwide as well in ipTV and in HD has a strict policy of only accepting significant content there with many other major broadcasters and is not a site that like youtube.com that will take anyone's content as was referenced by another editor as the only site that they came upon with Destination X Hawaii. This is misinformation that simply needs the correction of. The editor also comments that the show is perhaps airing at 4Am, the airing times for each episode are typically 8:30 PM Wednesday in over 39 major markets in the USA every Wednesday night and that is referenced by data on Back Channel Media, a reliable third party resource. #1 Distributed education and travel show in Hawaii, I think it belongs on Wikipedia but let others decide that.--70.181.123.149 22:06, 30 May 2007 (UTC)--MichelleWinkofer 22:08, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Comment You are an admitted PR flack for the people involved in this show. Your conflict of interest is showing. Wikipedia is not a marketing tool, and you and your tactics need to go elsewhere. DarkAudit 22:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Comment: Wikipedia doesn't require high Nielsen ratings. It does require reliable, independent, third-party, published sources which actually discuss the show. We're talking newspaper articles, books, interview transcripts from major news outlets, the like ... not advertising copy on the websites of the obscure channels airing the show. None have been provided.  RGTraynor  13:05, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
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