Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Desiree Summers

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The result was delete both. Singularity 18:11, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Desiree Summers

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Looks like ads and the references link back to her talk page. Only a SPA[1] seems to have an interest in the article and that was only over three days back in March 2007. In any event, there is not enough reliable source material that is independent of Desiree Summers for this article to meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy. Without such source material, the topic fails Wikipedia:Notability. I'm also adding Vessel Fitness -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 20:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

• Delete both non-notable and spammy.--Sethacus 20:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
• Keep but tag for verification. There is verifiable information here, but it needs sorting out from what isn't. I'd guess this article is the work of a PR company (it certainly has the look of their kind of work) but that doesn't mean the subject isn't notable. There are, for instance, the two linked radio interviews. The existence of the TV programs can presumably be determined with reference to TV guide publications. The magazine articles are published by an apparently independent publisher. This certainly seems like the kind of person we should have an article on. JulesH 20:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

  I see your point. However, content from magazine articles written by Desiree Summers is not independent of Desiree Summers any more than information from her website is independent of Desiree Summers. If Desiree Summers added bioagraphical material about herself in those articles, it really doesn't show that others find such information important enough for their publication. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 20:55, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

  I'm primarily basing my reasoning about her notability on the grounds of the radio interviews. These seem to be adequate to substantiate her notability. Respected radio stations don't give non-notable people 7 minute interviews. JulesH 21:11, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

  I'm still not convinced myself. What we have: the first six external links are inadmissible. Either they're for her website or are somehow connected to the station that carries her show OR are straight PR. Of the next two, we have a probably passable conference and a disputable one. The problem is, neither website makes even a trivial mention of her, odd for a "mainstage speaker". The only evidence she was at either seems to be more PR drivel. I'll give you ESPN radio, but the other seems to have only been set up to promote her appearance at one of the aforementioned conferences, which was local to the station. I'm still unclear as to why the link to the President's Challenge is there.--Sethacus 01:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

• Delete I am influenced somewhat by the following on her web site home page [2] "Read More About Desiree Summers on Wikipedia. Click Here Now!" , and "Read More About Vessel Fitness on Wikipedia. Click Here Now!" . She's clearly trying to us us for advertising a not really notable program. DGG (talk) 22:00, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
• Delete as per DGG MarkinBoston 22:56, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Brandon97 21:08, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.