Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Derek Roddy

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep (per consensus, and per withdrawn nomination). Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:53, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Derek Roddy

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This one is borderline for me. Someone contested the prod. This drummer is regarded in the metal community here [1], however, most of it is just kinda fluff sources like blabbermouth or metalarchives, youtube, and myspace. Now, he does have an entry on Modern Drummer. However, I'm not sure this is enough to pass WP:MUSIC. He's played with various bands, but as stints on certain dates, not as a member. I wanted the community to take a look at this. Here is some google news on the drummer :[2] Again, none of these are really reliable. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 16:07, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 16:07, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
• Weak Keep I'd suggest that separate entries in both Modern Drummer and Drummerworld are at least sufficient to establish general notability. As an aside, the picture in Drummerworld of a death metal drummer in an Izod shirt just makes me smile. DarkAudit (talk) 16:26, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
• Derek Roddy has definitely played as a member for several bands, most importantly the well-known bands Nile and Hate Eternal. I'd consider that, together with the fact he is listed on both Modern Drummer and Drummerworld, enough reason for him to have an article. For comparison, check Tony Laureano or many other metal musicians. Those articles aren't that extensive either. Joost de Kleine (talk) 11:19, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite 10:25, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Keep Members of notable bands are not given individual articles unless they have demonstrated notability for activity independent of the band. Derek Roddy has apparently demonstrated notability for activity independent of the band Hate Eternal by 1.) performing with other otherwise unrelated groups and 2.) being the subject of multiple non-trivial mention in independent and reliable publications not merely as a member of any of those group but as an individual musician in his own right. --Bardin (talk) 06:29, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

• Weak keep. As DarkAudit notes, independent coverage does suggest general notability. It isn't extensive, but in addition to the above he shows up in google news archives enough to help convince me. I have to note that the AfD notice was improperly removed from this article during this debate, on April 7. The evidence of the article's talk page suggests this mistake was made in good faith and that even though the contributor had been notified on his talk page that such notices should not be removed, he believed this was the proper thing to do. Nevertheless, its removal may have prevented some interested parties from participating in this discussion. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 20:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
• Please note - After careful consideration, and the revelation that this drummer has made enough impact to warrant coverage by Drummerworld, in addition to Modern Drummer, I hereby withdraw this nomination for deletion. I don't have time to make a non-admin closure though. Cheers! Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 21:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.