Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Derek Chan
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the debate was Speedy delete (as non-notable -- hopefully this is the last one I catch; if there are more, please let me know) --Nlu 23:15, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Derek Chan
It does not satisfy the Criteria for inclusion of biographies. The page seems like something made up by the club, which this high school kid belongs to, as a way to advertise the club. 169.231.1.49 03:41, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
- That is a far better nomination than just a bare "non-notable". Take note, pseudonymous users! 169.231.1.49 is showing you up.
Having said that, this person appears to have been the president not of a school club, but of a nationwide student political organization, the Hong Kong Secondary Students Union. As such, there might well be significant press coverage of this person, depending from how newsworthy his political activities were. If so, then he would satisfy the criteria. Uncle G 04:48, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. The organization seems to have only about 150 individual members (not counting student associations which hold organizational memberships). --Metropolitan90 04:56, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
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- The National Union of Students of Australia doesn't have many members when student organizations are discounted, either. That argument doesn't hold very much water. Uncle G 05:36, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
- Yeah, I don't really understand that argument, either. The organization itself is certainly notable (or at least I'm not questioning it now). What I question is the value of having an encyclopedia article on every kid who has ever held a position in it. Note the other related AfD nominations. Should we condense these into one? If so, how? —HorsePunchKid→龜 2005-12-05 05:48:39Z
- Some of the people who have ever held office in such organizations are notable. Consider Penny Wong, Brian Greig, Roslyn Dundas, Jaye Radisich, and Penny Sharpe, for examples. Furthermore, people who currently hold such an office are notable if they have made enough political waves to have received significant press coverage, which is certainly possible for people who hold such an office. (They'd also qualify if someone else had written a book, published a paper in a journal, or produced a mainstream television documentary about them. But those are far less likely.) So the question to answer is: Is that the case for any of these people? Those for whom it is, should be kept. This does involve researching each one. Uncle G 07:00, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, that was exactly my point. I have read each article in this series, and they're each non-notable. They're all basically of the form, "So and so headed this club, then this club, and went to such and such university after graduation." No mention of any "political waves". I think just about every person in my graduating class could have an article about themselves if that's the bar. ;) —HorsePunchKid→龜 2005-12-05 08:36:36Z
- Some of the people who have ever held office in such organizations are notable. Consider Penny Wong, Brian Greig, Roslyn Dundas, Jaye Radisich, and Penny Sharpe, for examples. Furthermore, people who currently hold such an office are notable if they have made enough political waves to have received significant press coverage, which is certainly possible for people who hold such an office. (They'd also qualify if someone else had written a book, published a paper in a journal, or produced a mainstream television documentary about them. But those are far less likely.) So the question to answer is: Is that the case for any of these people? Those for whom it is, should be kept. This does involve researching each one. Uncle G 07:00, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
- Yeah, I don't really understand that argument, either. The organization itself is certainly notable (or at least I'm not questioning it now). What I question is the value of having an encyclopedia article on every kid who has ever held a position in it. Note the other related AfD nominations. Should we condense these into one? If so, how? —HorsePunchKid→龜 2005-12-05 05:48:39Z
- The National Union of Students of Australia doesn't have many members when student organizations are discounted, either. That argument doesn't hold very much water. Uncle G 05:36, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
- Delete; see my vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chung Kam Lun. —HorsePunchKid→龜 2005-12-05 05:32:08Z
- Delete as per nom.--nixie 06:36, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
- Unless there is anything indicating notability for activity outside the organization, delete each one. The nominations should have been merged, and for the purposes of discussion/vote, my stand is for each of the individual Hong Kong student articles that have been nominated for deletion today, and I hope an admin combines them and closes them together. B.Wind 09:35, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
- Delete vanity. --Bachrach44 16:11, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
- Delete as per nominator. Silensor 22:08, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, otherwise merge into Hong Kong Secondary Students Union. Enochlau 04:33, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
- Keep. If the decision is to delete, merge and redirect to HKSSU. — Instantnood 07:21, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
- Keep The reason is discrimating students and bakers. I can't really accpet the decision of the administrators. This is what I want to say to the author of the topics:
Go, go, let us go, Let us fight against discrimination!
Go, go, let us go, Let us fight against discrimination!
Students, students try your best, Keep it up, Don't give up, True will come at last of course! HKSSU 09:53, 6 December 2005 (UTC) —preceding unsigned comment by 219.78.21.252 (talk • contribs) 09:53, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. The Site of Hong Kong Student Leaders Biographies will replace the Wikipedia infomation soon. by Original Author of the articles, TonySapphire
- Strong Delete, seems to be a group of students who keep creating this pointless vanity pages for themselves. dr.alf 11:02, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
