Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dennis Oliver

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete per consensus, and per BIO guideline. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:24, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dennis Oliver

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While this is an attractive article, I can't find any reason why he passes WP:BIO. He obviously has a professional theatre resume but nothing that is particularly notable. The only assertion of possible notability I see is that he supposedly shared an ACE Award for a stage production of "Flamenco Twist". As near as I can tell this is an award for New York city stage theatre from the Association of Critics of Entertainment, not the probably better known CableACE Awards. In the picture in Oliver's article, the award is clearly readable as named to "Héctor Luis Rivera", the director, not to Oliver or the production. (BTW, Oliver was using the stage name of "Dennis Oliveras" in that particular production if anyone wants to look further.) A number of news search variations on his name came up with nothing. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] While there are quite a few footnotes on this article, none of them are substantial, often just acknowledging that Oliver was in a particular production or a calendar listing. All in all, to my eyes it just looks like sophisicated PR spin with emptiness behind it. Pigman☿ 18:55, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

This is a great article, very well done and should not be deleted. I totally agree with the admin tachter that restored it. I am sorry pigman, but no every actor can be famous as a Bruce Willis or Brad Pitt to be in Wikipedia. Less afortunate actors like Dennis still are having the right to be in Wikipedia if they show some acting records, and I think this guy has more than enough acting in several theatrical pieces, important roles and also as a director assistant. It should to stay!justice all the way (talk) 16:50, 27 April 2008 (UTC)justice all the way

Comment: One guideline for including actors on WP is Wikipedia:BIO#Entertainers. While this is not firm and there are exceptions, I still think it's a good general rule of thumb. Mr Oliver doesn't seem to come close to meeting this guideline. I'm not looking for Brad Pitt levels of fame, just something more than "he's a real person and he acts professionally." Pigman☿ 18:40, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete While the article is structured properly and a first glance seems ok, notability is not established. Notability is not complicated, the subject has not been covered in any detail by any reliables source that I can see (My Spanish is not great, but from what I have seen none of the articles provided give the subject more than a passing mention). The problem is that since there is so little independent coverage, the article takes a promotional tone as there is little objective information from which to write an article. --Daniel J. Leivick (talk) 19:51, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
    Comment: My Spanish isn't very good (I have a bit of French which is helpful for Romance languages like Spanish and Italian, particularly in terms of vocabulary) but most of the supporting cites about Mr Oliver currently in the article just seem to be mentioning that he is one of the actors in various plays, not singling him out for special consideration. Pigman☿ 23:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete For all the reasons already mentioned, obviously fails the notability criteria. Thiste (talk) 03:19, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Keep the article his notability is proven by articles The following is the text is the result of the translation from the Spanish language into the English language from the Spanish newspaper congratulating to Dennis Oliver for his excelent work as an actor and as a director assitant. This article is showing also his picture ( as most of the other articles linked to his article are having). Please read:

Congratulations to Dennis Oliveras He study acting with Alba Olmos and Gloria Zelaya in a Puerto Rican theater rolling under the direction of Hector Luis Rivera (TEB Theatre) took part in the drama "Amantina or the Story of a desamor." Then, with the same company in the farce "Flemish Twist". Finally "Who is crazy here," under the direction of Otto Montoya. Recently, this boy born in Yauco, Puerto Rico made assistant director Alicia Kaplan in the play "Love and Legacy of Blood" carried scene at the Teatro Natives Queens. Click in the link below to see that article with his picture.

http://dennisoliveraspr.googlepages.com/dennisoliverasdirectorassistant

It proves the notability of Dennis Oliver as an actor. His article should not be deleted. Ralicia (talk) 16:48, 1 May 2008 (UTC)Ralicia

  • Delete Seems a shame, but the sources are almost all self-publicity, the IMDB is empty... Perhaps as suggested by an editor on my talk page, it may survive on it.wp or sp.wp, and can come back fully fledged and meeting sourcing and notability requirements. Rich Farmbrough, 10:27 2 May 2008 (GMT).
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