Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Denice Cassaro

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The result of the debate was DELETE. jni 14:08, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Denice Cassaro

Note for Anonymous users (voters): Please bear in mind, as stated by Bearcat below: the unsigned votes of non-users can be (and usually are) disregarded in the final tally. Svest 00:21, May 5, 2005 (UTC)

With all respects to Ms. Cassaro, I don't think she's notable enough to be included in Wikipedia at this time. Kelly Martin 05:49, May 2, 2005 (UTC)

  • Delete. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 05:54, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Vanity, non-notable. Quale 05:55, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Crap. Postdlf 05:58, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. With all respects to LGBT's, I just wonder why a Topical Interest Groups Co-chair of Community Development of Lesbian, Gay Bisexual and Transgender Issues at Cornell University called Ms. Cassaro couldn't mention her title! Because of the reason of not mentioning that, I vote delete. Indeed, it's vanity and non-notable. Svest 06:00, May 2, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Denice is notable for bombarding the undergraduates with emails about campus events. Every single person who has been an undergrad at cornell for the past 8 years knows Denice very well, that makes her notable to about 100,000 or more people. Much more notable than many minor politicians or schools. Klonimus 06:51, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Klonimus is notable for bombarding the VfD page with extreme inclusionist votes with questionable logic. That doesn't mean Klonimus meets standards to have a WP article. Delete this article, notability not established, not even close to having it suggested. Barno 16:02, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
      • Inclusionism is not a crime. If you look at my votes you will see that I often vote to delete. Klonimus 01:29, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
        • The same applies to the extreme exclusionist votes by mister Klo. More than I agree with Barno, I see you deserve an entry in WP rather than her. We accept to include an e-mailer and exclude notable articles just because of non reasonable POVs. Cheers and respect Svest 01:39, May 3, 2005 (UTC) Wiki me up.
          • Please do. Klonimus the inconsistant inclusionist Klonimus 01:42, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
            • No, I'd rather go for Klonimus the inconsistant exclusionist. See?! The proof is that you excluded my signature (I know it was unintentionally). I replaced back on its right place. ;-) Cheers and respect Svest 01:54, May 3, 2005 (UTC) Wiki me up.
              • Neither inclusionism nor exclusionism is a crime or sin. Klo is noted for votes that include/exclude all of a category that isn't policy, similar to many of Kappa's votes, rather than explaining what fact about the topic meets what policy. That doesn't make him encyclopedically significant enough for an article. If Ms. Cassaro is a mailbot as suggested below, I doubt that's pioneering enough or widely enough noted for an article. Its contents as it stand show no reason to differentiate Ms. Cassaro from hundreds of other shills doing a job that has an impersonal feather-touch upon the e-mail accounts of a few thousand people in one place. Do the students at Cornell's joint projects in places like Hong Kong have their educational experience revolutionized by the name on their internal announcements? Barno 15:46, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, i hope we don't start accepting e-mailers as wp material, since the world is full of (your company/university here) with notable e-mailers. Feydey 07:14, 2 May 2005 (UTC).
  • Delete. I don't buy Klonimus's reason for keeping a person whose main claim to notability is writing e-mails. Sjakkalle 09:00, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Merge with Cornell University - she should get no more than a line in that article. The school, of course is notable. To students attending the school in recent years, she may be notable. To the rest of the world... not there yet. -- BDAbramson thimk 18:28, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
  • Is there a university (or even a little community college) that does not have a communications person publicizing current happenings and housing? Would Cornell lose its prestige if this person didn't make the entire community aware of for-sale items? I work in Ithaca and subscribe to the Ithaca Journal; I can tell you that this person isn't locally notable to a non-student, so I can't see how she'd be notable in a broader context. No change of vote. Barno 19:04, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, notability not established. Martg76 19:43, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete, notability not established. Sietse 20:27, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, (author's vote) notability is established by over 18000 undergraduates (and probably another 18000 graduated students) knowing Denice by e-mail address, not her face. Her reputation is very wide reaching, and she performs an important role in community development, much like a town crier of the days of yore. Would more information and research be useful in placing this article in the keep pile? Opakapaka 23:18, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
    • You're all attempting to do exactly what we were warned not to do during freshmen orientation - Don't delete Denice
  • Delete. Sockpuppet limit has been breached. RickK 23:33, May 2, 2005 (UTC)
  • In Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Paul Eastlund, no less than RaD Man, GRider and I were among those voting to delete the editor of the Cornell Review. This can't be promising. My friend at Cornell says: "Apparently she's in charge of a mailing list. I'd delete it -- no sense in making her job follow the poor woman around." Samaritan 00:25, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Denice Cassaro is far far more notable than anyone or anything associated with the cornell review. More people read Denice Cassaro's emails than read the Cornell Review. Klonimus 01:29, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
  • The fact that someone so important is not mentioned on Cornell's article really surprises me. Non-notable. Delete - SteveW | Talk 01:16, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep, Denice is a bit different than her opposite number at other universities. She's got a cult following and she's got undeniable charisma. That woman is going places. Cakedamber 03:40, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Charisma? My brother got one too. Who are her opposite number at other universities that are listed in WP? Cheers and respect Svest 03:45, May 3, 2005 (UTC) Wiki me up
  • Keep Denice is definately a person of myth and legend here at Cornell University. Everyone knows the name but few actually know who she is. --Xtreambar 04:10, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete due to non-notability and sockpuppet activity. Perhaps a small mention in the trivia section of the Cornell article, but I'd have to see significant evidence of notability beyond the campus before I could vote to keep on a subject like this. Gamaliel 09:28, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Klonimus voted "keep". --Carnildo 23:40, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete for reasons stated. There was also an organized attempt at Cornell to disrupt this site. Let's not feed these trolls more than necessary. - Lucky 6.9 22:47, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. Keeping this could set a bad precedent, imho -- taviso 10:47, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep cleanup and expand, borderline notability. Megan1967 11:29, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete - utterly unencyclopedic - no evidence that she does a job any different from at thousands of other major institutions. CDC (talk) 16:35, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep SchmuckyTheCat 00:21, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
  • She's unremarkable and the article is jocular and tiresome. Delete. -- Hoary 08:33, 2005 May 8 (UTC)

[edit] Possible Sock Votes

Note: This section is used for comments about possible sock puppeting votes. Please vote at the section above. Svest 00:21, May 5, 2005 (UTC) Wiki me up

  • Keep Yes! I agree!--128.84.190.253 23:27, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep Keep it!!! Denice Cassaro is one and only.. it would be a disgrace to take her down!
  • Keep! She is a part of the Cornell experience and there is no reason to delete her entry. She plays a huge part in the communication of the Cornell community. She is a fine example of journalism making the entire campus aware of the current happenings, housing and for sale items.
  • Excuse me - but I've asked other undergraduates to put in their opinion on Denice. They, unfortunately, do not have screennames. This fault doesn't come under the category of sock votes (which would imply that I am commenting as more than one user); instead it is merely like an author attempting to rally for the support and expression of opinions of the people he knows. Opakapaka 02:06, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
    • The definition of "sock puppets" includes "people who've never contributed to Wikipedia except in an attempt to stack a VfD vote"; the unsigned votes of non-users can be (and usually are) disregarded in the final tally. Bearcat 03:47, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete The article is false. Denice is not human, she is a self-aware artificial intelligence.
  • Keep - She's important, notable. It can be edited so it's not vain, and we needn't sacrifice much by way of length. JP vote from 128.253.240.204


[edit] What is said in the main article

Let's be objective and talk about the article before Cassaro. This is what the article says:

  • ...a name on the mass e-mails sent to every student... What is so special? Cc, Bcc!
  • ...all freshmen are told during orientation week: Don't delete Denice... IMHO, I am freshman of WP and therefore I am not scared to delete it neither it would be funny if I don't!
  • ...rivaling even Cornell Information Technologies (CIT), the mother of Cornell cyberspace... Why not become a CIT Mother of Cornell cyberspace herself? How come Cornell Information Technologies (CIT) got no entry in WP?
  • I am not going to discuss the paragraph called The following because it is just a following of the above.
  • ...Denice is in fact a real, warm-blooded human being. Residential Advisors (RAs) and various groups have often invited her to dinner... ;-) No comment!
  • ...Residents were eager to shake her hand and make her acquaintance... Why not become a Mayor as she's notable than many minor politicians or schools as Klomimus claims above?
This is vanity before anything else! Svest 04:16, May 3, 2005 (UTC) Wiki me up.

Keep it! As an undergrad at Cornell, I will remember her name FOREVER

Keep it. It's harmless, and very true. And meaningful to some.

  • delete : insignificant. Kingturtle 06:11, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
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