Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Demander

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The result was delete. W.marsh 19:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Demander

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Repeatedly deleted band article. The current revision (barely) makes claims of notability, but doesn't reach WP:BAND and has no sources to support the claims. Google reveals nothing beyond myspace, blogs and press releases. — Coren (talk) 03:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete Fails notability guidelines. WP:BAND --NMChico24 03:36, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment As far as I know, this band satisfies two criteria for notability. First, it has been featured in a feature and notable "Band of the Year" contest on Spin Magazine's website and mentioned recently on the website for MTV - both sources independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable. Second, the group will be touring both nationally and internationally. The national tour is being supported by and reported in NME Magazine and is with two notable bands. NME's website allows for easy verification of this tour information. And, although it is not included in the criteria, the group has worked with many notable musicians and its members have played in well-documented groups such as World/Inferno Friendship Society and Anti-Social Music. Bookbookbook 04:24, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Please refrain from deleting other people's comments --NMChico24 04:50, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
    • I have declined the speedy deletion. It does, in fact, assert notability through an international tour. I have no opinion as to whether this article should survive AfD, but it does not, in my opinion, qualify for speedy deletion. - Philippe | Talk 05:02, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment They should have a damn page. Great band. Period. On the verge as we speak (type)... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.253.181.34 (talk) 15:49, 11 October 2007 (UTC) — 208.253.181.34 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
    In fact, that they are "on the verge" is exactly why the article shouldn't exist yet. Once they get there, someone will write one. — Coren (talk) 19:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment demander should have a wiki page because they are linked to on many other pages and when i click on their name and try to read more about them no page exists. i was happy to see this up. the most recent demander link i saw was here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NME_Tours please keep the demander page up. thanks!Sfarim 14:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)— Sfarim (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
  • Delete - problem shared by many "up & coming bands" - not notable YET. When they fall into the WP:BAND criteria, fine. --Rodhullandemu (talk - contribs) 17:54, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete Wikipedia should document, not predict, notable subjects. Sheffield Steeltalkstalk 20:04, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Please see my original comment. This group fulfills two of the criteria for notability. Considering this is a discussion, those facts (not opinions) should determine their inclusion on Wikipedia. Additionally, they are linked from other notable Wikipedia pages. This is not predictive but rather a present documentation of a group that has already toured nationally and continue to do so increasingly with other notable groups. News sources independent of the group verify their notability in articles and notices. Bookbookbook 21:14, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Comment That's three other notable Wikipedia pages, excluding user pages and administrative pages: Links. And one of those is hardly flattering. This does not make them notable. And I note that your edit comment to the creation of this page (which is your first Wikipedia edit) is "This article describes the relevance of musical group Demander in regards to national/international touring, musical collaborations and media recognition", but you don't mention any international touring. --Rodhullandemu (talk - contribs) 21:26, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
My following comment referred to huge blocks of text which have now been deleted. See Sfarimcomment below --Rodhullandemu (talk - contribs) 17:01, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Enough already! If this makes them notable, put it into the article. This forum is not for stuff like this. I found it unreadable on the basis of its layout alone. Please read WP:BAND and get a clue why this band is not yet notable in encyclopedic terms. --Rodhullandemu (talk - contribs) 15:26, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment I will append some information to the article that I think helps this case. Not only do the members of this band have shared a musical history that is notable (and includes international touring), but the group has been mentioned in many independent media sources and have toured nationally and continue to do so with notable bands. If the wiki admins see fit to include this group in the encyclopedia it would be for many demonstrable reasons. Apologies if I provided too much information in this forum and thanks so much for your time. Sfarim 16:58, 12 October 2007 (UTC)


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