Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Del Palmer (second nomination)

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The result was keep. GRBerry 16:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Del Palmer

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Previously AfDed article which has been recreated. The author asserts that the rewrite has additional information and references that demonstrate notability. The notability of the subject seems to be based on a personal relationship with Kate Bush. His musical bio does not meet WP:BAND as he is primarily a bass player and engineer for Ms Bush. The references are mainly trivial and mostly not directly related to Palmer. The two articles that are non-trivial are not so much about Palmer but his take on Ms Bush and a technical interview on how one of her albums was created. I assert that the replacement article still does not demonstrate notability for Palmer. There was a discussion of this on the article's talk page Talk:Del Palmer

• Keep. I didn't create the original Del Palmer article, but noticed one day that it had been deleted after a very short AfD discussion. Surprised that Del Palmer would be considered non-notable, I retrieved the original article from the Google cache, re-created it and sought to tackle the problems WebHamster had identified, particularly around a lack of citations. We've been discussing this at Talk:Del Palmer, so I'll try to be short here. I don't see any consistent ruling on the notability of musicians who are regular members of a "solo" artist's band. As Kate Bush's bassist, Palmer played on multiple charting albums and an international tour; as her engineer, he's on yet further albums. As such, I feel Palmer qualifies under WP:BAND's criteria (2), (3), (4), (5) and (11). As he has had a career away from Bush (singles on a notable label in the 1970s, appearances on two recent albums), it seems appropriate to have a distinct page for Palmer rather than just covering him on Bush's page. The article cites two music magazine interviews with Palmer: while these focus on his work with Bush, they are about him and his contribution to the recordings and not just about Bush. These mean the article meets WP:BAND criterion (1). I make no claim that Palmer's long-term personal relationship with Bush makes him notable. Bondegezou 11:25, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
• weak Keep. It's unlikely that any musician who has mainly contributed to another artist's recordings would meet WP:BAND, but that is not an automatic reason for deletion. As someone who has played on several massive-selling albums and singles, Del Palmer may be sufficiently notable - further sources would, of course, help. I don't feel that deleting this article would in any way improve our encyclopedia, so would err on the side of keeping it.--Michig 12:01, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
• Weak Keep per Michig. Strong keep If there is enough reliable sources to form a decent length article on a musician, it doesn't matter if that musician has never been on tour or if the reliable sources also focus on a more notable musician; the article is still encyclopedic. Epbr123 12:44, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
• Strong keep per WP:MUSIC. Bassist on some of the most critically and commercially successful records of the past 30 years. He has other significant work too, so a merge with Kate Bush wouldn't be appropriate. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:59, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
• That initial AFD nomination was strange; deleted with a total of one opinion other than the nominator's. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 21:29, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

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