Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Decim4t3

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Sango123 00:27, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Decim4t3

Delete. The article's subject is a non-notable video gamer. He has not competed in major leagues, and has not had any major media coverage. The arguments towards keeping, in its talk page have generally centered around the cash winnings, and that video games should be considered a sport. The cash winnings don't really serve any purpose towards establishing notability; games of all sorts are played for cash (ie. poker, arm wrestling tournaments, etc.), but the people who play those are still fairly unknown and not altogether fitting for an encyclopedia. As for video games as a sport; they are not treated the same, plain and simple. Even minor baseball or hockey players often get mentioned in the Sports section of newspapers, but you'd be challenged to find even a star of a videogamer there. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 08:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

• Comment, the only reason I've AfD'd this is because it at least asserts notability (winnings), making it ineligible for Speedy, as far as I know. I've taken the CSDs too broadly before, in situations like this. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 08:30, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
  • And what is the reason why you didn't WP:PROD it? Morgan Wick 23:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
    • The user was actively editing the page, and would more than likely remove the prod tag. He's still kept at it for a good while after I AfD nominated. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 06:16, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. This article is about an electronic sports player who hasn't competed in a major league but has played in several small competitions with local media coverage. Video Games ARE a sport by the Wiki definition -

"A sport consists of a physical activity carried out with a recreational purpose for competition, for self-enjoyment, to attain excellence, for the development of a skill, or some combination of the above. A sport is typically charactized by physical activity, competition, self-motivation and a scoring system."

Although Electronic Sports don't require much in the way of muscle mass, they require dexterity which is a physical property. Professional Video Gaming is an industry in its evolution phase. Was football a professional sport overnight? No. A rising star in a rising industry deserves his place.--Tidusover14 08:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

• Wikipedia on sports players:

Sportspeople/athletes who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, or at the highest level in mainly amateur sports, including college sports in the United States. Articles about first team squad members who have not made a first team appearance may also be appropriate, but only if the individual is at a club of sufficient stature that most members of its squad are worthy of articles.

In other words, even if video gaming is considered a sport, an amateur player is not notable unless playing at the absolute higher levels. Also note that the above is the article creator. Delete. — Dark Shikari ^talk/_contribs 09:11, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per nom unless notability is established. Currently, he's just a bloke who likes playing computer games. BigHaz 09:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, no notability. Not even any google hits. He must be playing at a much higher level to be worth inclusion --Errant Tmorton166^(Talk)(Review me) 09:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete non-notable...sorry. Konman72 10:32, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete video-game player, and an "amateur" one too, per the article. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:29, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Someday he may deserve a page; right now he doesn't. He's just not notable enough, at least not yet. --DocSigma 14:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, amateur... does not meet WP:BIO.--Isotope23 16:00, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. It's amateur. --Bigtop 21:16, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and DarkShikari, with the provision, of course, that there are competitive professional gamers (as competitive eaters) who likely are notable per WP:BIO (and the sportsperson provision thereof); as plenty of those above have, observed, though, this subject isn't one. Joe 21:48, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nominator since this fails the WP:BIO guidelines. Yamaguchi先生 23:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.