Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Death-grind

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The result of the debate was keep. Tony Sidaway|Talk 20:07, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Death-grind

Another imaginary music genre, a combination of Grindcore and Death metal. —Wahoofive (talk) 00:03, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

• Delete: Fictional subgenres are a horror, but why are so many of them attaching themselves to heavy metal and rap? You don't see that many articles with proposed genres like Progfolk or Art No Depression or something. Geogre 03:43, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. I'm by no means a metal-head, but I've deffinately heard people talking about "death-grind." Google comes back with over 78,000 hits. [1] It looks to me like a stub that could be expanded with a lot more stuff. --Blackcats 06:31, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, not notable genre. Megan1967 06:35, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep and expand. Google it and see that there are several bands in the first few pages of results that describe themselves as death grind. At the very least, death grind deserves its own section in Grindcore. But since it's a musical style on its own, and as in rap, metalheads can be very supportive of one subgenre and very opposed to a very similar one (I am that way with several genres of metal myself) I don't think I or my fellow metalheads would take too kindly to combining the articles. --Idont Havaname 07:32, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Question: I saw that, but I didn't get the impression that there was any specific meaning to the phrase. When you saw the Google hits, did you get the idea that this was a stable, critical genre, or just a couple of words combined by fans who were being informal in their use and therefore reflecting not an actual genre but merely a slang word? I thought it was the latter case. Geogre 13:43, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

It's valid. It's similar to how metalcore is a combination of metal and hardcore. Originally only a few bands billed themselves that way, and now the metal scene can't get away from it. The metal scene invents quite a few terms to describe mixed styles, but when (invariably) other bands come along and play the same genre of music, then it goes into more common use, as was the case here. Also compare cybergrind, gothcore (mentioned in metalcore), and their Google results; the terms are used sometimes in the scene, but with death-grind, bands are willing to describe themselves that way (this is not the case with cybergrind or gothcore, which appear to be terms made up by fans/reviewers/etc. ... gothcore was itself on VfD in April though, and kept). --Idont Havaname 03:35, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

• Keep if someone can expand and actually give some examples of bands described as death-grind. the wub (talk) 07:52, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep Added some bands and a bit mroe info. Check out the article for Suffocation for some more info that could be added to this genre. This is quite a major genre in the American underground (Someone with more knowledge of it should add more bands to the list actually, from Google if nothing else). Besides, this is an Encyclopeadia with nigh on infinite space. We've got any number of other tidbits of obscure info on here, why on earth disregard something like this? --KharBevNor 12:56, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
  • The three bands you added say that their genre is something else on their own WP pages. What's the point? Even Suffocation, who you claim developed the genre, is listed as Death metal. Might as well list Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart as an example of Death-grind, too. This only reinforces my opinion that this is a fictional genre. —Wahoofive (talk) 05:32, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, seems notable --MarSch 14:18, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete not notable enough. JamesBurns 11:32, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
• I think you'll find Suffocation explicitly mentions Death-grind. This isn't a fictional genre, but I will admit I'm not a DM expert, more of a BM man. I only made it as a stub to fill out red links on Extreme music. If you want to delete it, fine, but it seems rather pointless, as it is an actual genre, and we have all sorts of far more tenuous genres listed here. Vampyric black metal for example, that seem to have escaped editation through being expanded beyond stub. I could almost certainly find printed references to it if I went through my magazine collection. --KharBevNor 14:11, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

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