Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dean Roberts (criminal)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was straight-out delete. Daniel Bryant 09:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dean Roberts (criminal)

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Non-notable London drug dealer. Article states his murder would be among the six gangland slayings occurring during 1999, so this isn't particularly unusual or noteworthy. Saikokira 00:20, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete Appears to be a wholly un-notable gangland killing, without any features setting it above other similar criminal events.--Anthony.bradbury 00:26, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete While it could be expanded, the noteworthiness cannot. If we had articles for every gangland killing in history, we'd double the encyclopedia in days. Alex43223 ^{Talk | Contribs | E-mail | C} 01:03, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
• DeleteMerge/redirect to Operation Trident as Wikipedia is not a memorial for drug dealers shot in obscure gangland killings.--TBCΦtalk? 01:51, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Seems like a small fish criminal who's death was without particular notability. Per above, etc. Pig^man_dialogue 02:21, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
• Comment. As creator of the article, I should point out the murder was hardly obscure as Dean Roberts, an underworld figure and a key associate of the Yardies, was one several killed in a particularly violent gang war. One could equally make the same comparison to any gangland killing in North America or elsewhere (see Arnold Schuster). I've since added several additional sources in regards to his relationship to the Yardies as well as coverage of his unsoved murder. Also it was his death which would eventualy bring down Rickey Sweeny and the Yardie-affiliated Lock Street Crew during Operation Trident, which is certainly a notable event. MadMax 02:26, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
  • The gang war might be notable, but the gangland killing is certaintly not. Also, being a victim of a notable conflict does not always make the victim notable as well. While it does seem to be true that his death would later lead to Operation Trident, that—at most—merits a redirect or a merge, not a seperate article. --TBCΦtalk? 05:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

• I have no opposition to merging the article to an article on the gangland killings themselves, however the article has yet to be created. While the notability of his criminal career is is question, it is specifically his unsolved murder which not only occurred during a major underworld gang war but would eventually be used to convicted several major Yardie gang leaders during Operation Tridant most notably the life imprisonment of Rickey Sweeney. This is supported by several news reports and articles which have been provided. As many murder victims and minor criminals are similarly covered on Wikipedia I don't see how this would be any different from North American organized crime and street gang related killings. His murder was highly publicized in Great Britain and was the subject of an extensive investigation by Scotland Yard. Should articles such as Ferdinand Boccia or Eddie Cummiskey be deleted as well, simply because they criminal careers are deemed not notable enough despite the obvious effects of their murders ?

• Delete per nom and all above Alf^Photoman 13:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Doesn't seem notable enough. Nenyedi ^NenyediContribs_@ 13:29, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and TBC. If the gangland war was notable, that's what should be an article. I note, by contrast, that this article doesn't actually say anything about its putative subject, other than he was a drug dealer, associated with this gang, and was murdered. That's information too scanty to support a stub. RGTraynor 14:22, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

• Comment. While I would agree the article does need expansion, the individual was also the victim of an unsolved murder (one of a series of unsolved killings) which eventually caused the downfall of one of the dominant Yardie organizations in North London. This point is supported by numerous sources provided in the article. I would think this alone would be enough to support his notability. MadMax 19:56, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

• Delete - per nom and all of the above...--Cometstyles 15:08, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.