Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Shafer (baseball player)
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Jaranda wat's sup 06:49, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] David Shafer (baseball player)
Non-notable minor league player, per WP:BASEBALL. Truest blue 06:35, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of baseball-related deletions. —Truest blue 05:57, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- Delete for above reason.
- Delete per nom. Iotha 09:16, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- Comment: Could nom, or anyone else, point to the exact guideline in WP:BASEBALL proclaiming that a minor-league on Shafer's level is not notable? Especially since the various Wikiproject notability guidelines do not trump WP:BIO, it would be nice to see something slightly more rigorous.
Something like this, for instance ... RGTraynor 14:14, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
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- Quoting from WP:BASEBALL (emphasis added): "Any player who plays in the top professional league in their country is notable. This includes Major League Baseball in North America and Nippon Professional Baseball in Japan, among others. Most minor league players are not considered notable, but some players are as determined by WP:BIO"--Truest blue 15:55, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- Reply: Yes, I saw that. Now what exact criteria are you citing? "Most ... are not considered notable?" Which are? Upon what basis is a player non-notable? You are citing as your sole reason for deletion a rationale that is nowhere defined. RGTraynor 16:28, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- Reply: Recently, editors on this page have considered minor leagues notable when they are highly awarded, higly touted, first round picks. This player is far from that.--Truest blue 22:03, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- In which case you're not citing any criteria; you're citing your personal preference. Correct? RGTraynor 00:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Incorrect. It is the consensus of the editors that frequent these AFD's. My personal preference is to delete all minor leagues. But since the consensus is to the contrary, I do not nominate or vote to delete any highly notable minor leagues. --Truest blue 02:41, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- In which case you're not citing any criteria; you're citing your personal preference. Correct? RGTraynor 00:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Reply: Recently, editors on this page have considered minor leagues notable when they are highly awarded, higly touted, first round picks. This player is far from that.--Truest blue 22:03, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- Reply: Yes, I saw that. Now what exact criteria are you citing? "Most ... are not considered notable?" Which are? Upon what basis is a player non-notable? You are citing as your sole reason for deletion a rationale that is nowhere defined. RGTraynor 16:28, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- Quoting from WP:BASEBALL (emphasis added): "Any player who plays in the top professional league in their country is notable. This includes Major League Baseball in North America and Nippon Professional Baseball in Japan, among others. Most minor league players are not considered notable, but some players are as determined by WP:BIO"--Truest blue 15:55, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- Keep He seems to be headed to the majors sometime soon. He was a minor league all-star last year, and is currently in AAA. Nowhere in WP:BASEBALL does it mention that minor league players are non-notable. Pats Sox Princess 15:15, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- Please see my reply to RGTraynor just above. Besides, do you really want a WP article on everyone that is "heading" to the majors?--Truest blue 15:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- Comment And what would be wrong with that? Spanneraol 21:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Please see my reply to RGTraynor just above. Besides, do you really want a WP article on everyone that is "heading" to the majors?--Truest blue 15:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- Delete until he either reaches the majors, sets some minor league record, becomes a hot prospect (or flame-out) or achieves some notability outside of baseball; non-encyclopedic at the moment. I do not see the benefit from featuring run-of-the-mill minor leagers of any sport; we are not a prospectus and the editor who created the article before the subject was a "big name" shall receive no profit from it - this could lead to frivolous chest-thumping in the topic's circle. How do you tell if a player is a notable "hot prospect" or not, well, AfD is a good start, and this guy ain't got it.--Old Hoss 19:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
- Keep Professional minor league players meet the notability criteria for sportspeople. The baseball guidelines are invalid as they are not in line with the wider policy. Casperonline 20:54, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Keep I agree. Minor League Players meet the WP:BIO requirements for notability.. The WP:BASEBALL rules need to be rewritten. Spanneraol 21:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
- Keep. Many minor league players are not notable, but Shafer was a Southern League All-Star, which makes him significantly more notable than the average minor league player. -Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 03:06, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. Minor-league players are assuredly NOT at the top levels of their sport, pretty much by definition. If and when he gets to the The Show, then we can talk. --Calton | Talk 02:58, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
