Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Howell (footballer) (2nd nomination)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Nomination withdrawn. Epbr123 18:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] David Howell (footballer)

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Article is no different to when it was speedily deleted ten days ago. This footballer has only played and managed minor football clubs. Epbr123 20:23, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom. Artaxiad 20:57, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
  • DeleteEven though Birmingham City and Southend are by no means minor clubs, since it appears he was only part of Fry's management team there, I'd say fails WP:BIO. EliminatorJR Talk 00:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Keep per Daemonic Kangaroo. The original article seemed to imply that Howell had only played for Barnet when they were a non-league team, however obviously actually playing for Southend & Birmingham makes him notable. Thanks for the hint on allfootballers.com - I didn't know about that one, and used Soccerbase which as you say is incomplete. EliminatorJR Talk 14:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
  • This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. ChrisTheDude 12:31, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Definite keep - Per allfootballers.com he actually played 57 times for Barnet in the Football League in 1991-92 & 1992-93, as well as making 6 league appearances for Southend United (1993-94) and 2 for Birmingham City (1994-95). He's also on Soccerbase [1] but their records are incomplete for that period. Daemonic Kangaroo 12:43, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment - the article definitely needs some attention. I'll see if I can find time to bring it up to scratch in the next few days. Daemonic Kangaroo 12:45, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep clearly meets the terms of WP:BIO by having spent five years playing in the Football League for multiple clubs, two of them as a regular first-teamer. If the reference to his having played for Barnet was in the article at the time it was speedy'ed (which the comment above that the "article is no different" would suggest) then the speedy was in error ChrisTheDude 12:51, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep. Has played professionally for professional teams in fully professional leagues WikiGull 13:17, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep, although the article requires a clean up BanRay 15:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Strong Keep this Article is much improved from my original and better reflects his time as a profesional footballer. "the honour of being the first black England National Game XI captain" I think this also make him notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harrow Red (talk • contribs)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.