Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Darth Malak

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep with a suggestion for bold editors to merge/ redirect as they see fit. There was no clear concensus as to WHERE to merge/redirect this content, and merge does not require deletion. JERRY ^talk _contribs 20:26, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Darth Malak

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This article cites no claims of notability, and presently consists only of an extended plot summary. I tried PRODding it some time ago, but to no avail. Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 03:07, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

• Yeah, non notable. Redirect to List of Star Wars characters or Knights of the Old Republic. J-ſtan^Contribs_{User page} 04:11, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. —• Gene93k (talk) 11:03, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions. —• Gene93k (talk) 11:09, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete as this article fails WP:V, WP:FICT, WP:WAF and WP:NOT#PLOT. There are no reliable sources of any sort. There is no sane arguement for keeping or merging this article, as it is basically an essay by an editor on their favorite character. --Gavin Collins (talk) 14:26, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep as it is a notable character that can be verified with reliable sources. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 17:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

• The character can be verified, but can the character's notability be verified? —Quasirandom (talk) 23:55, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep Merge I removed the original PROD, and I stand by my argument then, this character is the main villain of one of the most popular video games of our time as such he is inherently notable. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - On the contrary, notability of a character is not inherited from notable source material. --EEMIV (talk) 14:56, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I have changed my opinion to merge after reading several of the other comments in this discussion while I agree that Malak does not deserve an article of his own this information is useful and should be merged with the list. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:23, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete and redirect to List of KOTOR character. Game is notable, and that's covered in the game's article; character within it, however, has garnered no significant third-party coverage and there's no real-world information about development, reaction, etc. Doesn't pass WP:WAF. --EEMIV (talk) 04:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
• comment There appears to be a fairly significant number of references to him in the news, but frankly I don't know enough to have a clue here, so !vote for me. Hobit (talk) 06:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
  • None of the links, however, appear to assert notability outside of the game. --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 06:16, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
    • Do they need to? I mean Luke Skywalker isn't really notable outside of Star Wars. Sure, everyone knows who he is, but I can't say he's notable outside of it. Hobit (talk) 01:40, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
      • For starters, there's a wealth of material on the character's development; there is also merchandising, critics' response to the character as a protagonist, spoofing/derivative material, etc. --EEMIV (talk) 02:22, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
• KEEP per argument from TonyBallion This is a notable character from a notable game. Umbralcorax (talk) 14:52, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment - Can you offer substantiation to the claim that the character itself -- rather than just the game it appears in -- is notable? --EEMIV (talk) 14:56, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
• Redirect to Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, a perfectly suitable (and notable) place to cover the character. - JasonAQuest (talk) 15:41, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete or Redirect This character is not notable in the real world, only barely within the game, and as we know, notability is not inherited. --Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 20:59, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
• Redirect to List of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic characters. Redirecting to the game article itself doesn't tell much about the character; cruft should be eliminated, but we are first and foremost a reference website, and eliminating cruft at the expense of being actually useful is a bad thing. EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:09, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
• Redirect - unless establishes individual notability through reliable sources. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 03:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.