Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dark Secrets: Inside Bohemian Grove

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Petros471 21:20, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dark Secrets: Inside Bohemian Grove

First deletion reason: Conspiracy cruft video. Fails to assert notability by reference to any reliable sources. Fails WP:RS, WP:NOR, WP:NOT, and WP:VAIN. Not available on Blockbuster, Amazon or Netflix. Morton devonshire 01:22, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Keep: Article appears to be NPOV and appropriate to covering the movie. Not a commercial release and therefore will not show up on Blockbuster, etc. Google search shows 28000 hits for the exact title. Movie's creator (Alex Jones) is also notable enough to be on wikipedia. AmitDeshwar 01:53, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Notice: User's 3rd and 4th contributions. GabrielF 02:02, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • He's just "Striving" to stay on top of things. Morton devonshire 02:06, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Correction: I have struck AmitDeshwar's Google hit allegation above, as the true number is only 380, not 28000. [1]
  • Actually, there are 28,000 hits but only 380 are unique, so technically neither of you are wrong. Either way, it isn't very civil to alter other people's comments without their permission, regardless if it is correct or not, so I'm reverting it (unlesss of course that comment was an attack or vandalism, which in this case it isn't).--TBCTaLk?!? 04:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Frankly I'm not sure why my newness to editing wikipedia in anyway reflects on my above comments. Regarding the "true" number of google hits, note that Microsoft returns only 821 unique hits [2].AmitDeshwar 09:05, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete On IMDB this video has 106 votes and almost no details about the video have been filled in [3]. GabrielF 01:59, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - per nom; fancruft, promotional. I did not expect to see this nominated, because I had thought it was kind of a big deal among the NWO people. I am actually surprised how non-notable it turns out to be. Even among works about the Bohemian Grove this has not really been much noticed. Most of the mentions are on Jones' websites. It is kind of inside baseball (and original research), but the most notable component of the whole thing may be Jones' unsuccessful efforts to promote the video among conspiracists, who seem to think it's kind of lame. Tom Harrison Talk 02:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. --Aaron 03:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete and maybe redirect to Alex Jones. I almost wish the guy's documentaries WOULD make it big so we don't have to go through the trouble of deleting them all. Note that the reason Blockbuster, Netflix, and Amazon don't stock his films is probably because they've been subverted by the Conspiracy. My Alt Account 03:45, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge into Alex Jones--TBCTaLk?!? 03:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep: part of a series on Alex Jones. Merging would just overload the article with details on his works. Calwatch 04:06, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Alex Jones already covers his works sufficiently. IMO nothing need be added after this article is deleted. My Alt Account 04:28, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I disagree, as a sentence such as is currently provided would not be enough. Bohemian Grove is one of Jone's most well known works, as evidenced by the Ronson documentary. Calwatch 05:15, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom, don't merge, move to the dark, secret cave of wikipedia cruft. --Tbeatty 06:58, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Per nom.--Peephole 13:02, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. No references, notability, etc. +Fin- 13:21, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete, per nomination.--Isotope23 16:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Per nom. Brimba 16:06, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect. It's pretty crufty, but redirects are cheap. Any merged info will need a style and POV cleanup, though. Fernando Rizo 17:58, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep subject of a documentary by a notable British journalist. Gamaliel 19:39, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment: Texas has been annexed by the UK? Why don't we have an article about that? --Aaron 19:58, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • From the article: "British journalist Jon Ronson of the British network Channel 4 and his crew were filming their own documentary" Gamaliel 21:04, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes, and Ronson's documentary was not "Dark Secrets: Inside Bohemian Grove". --Aaron 19:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per Tom. --Aude (talk contribs as tagcloud) 19:59, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per Morton, Tom. Jayjg (talk) 20:53, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep per Gamaliel.Dekar 20:54, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Note: Editor's 8th edit. Jayjg (talk) 21:02, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep per votes above, all of which offer valid reasons. - CNichols 21:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete Not notable.--MONGO 21:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge relevant material to Jones. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 23:15, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per above reasons.UberCryxic 00:35, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
  • delete per nomination. Crockspot 05:03, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom, Tom Harrison. CWC(talk) 09:14, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep notable crank videos. For the record, he's discussed this infiltration on Coast to Coast AM [4] and inspired one newsworthy incident [5] --badlydrawnjeff talk 10:56, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge relevant and cleaned-up material to Jones. Ergative rlt 14:38, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Everything relevant has been merged into Jones' article.--Peephole 15:30, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per Tom Harrison.--Rosicrucian 00:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom.--Cúchullain t/c 03:31, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom.--Peta 05:25, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Stubbleboy 00:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
  • KEEP FOr the simple reason that this is something that people need to be aware of.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.176.13.26 (talk • contribs)
  • Delete. Nothing to merge. Sandy 17:17, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.