Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dangerous and Moving

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus : 8 keepm, 5 delete, 3/4 merge. GarrettTalk 02:17, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dangerous and Moving

Crystal Ball article about an unreleased album. GarrettTalk 8 July 2005 11:03 (UTC)

  • Keep, verifiable. Tatu are very notable. Kappa 8 July 2005 12:05 (UTC)
  • Delete - NN Life's too short A curate's egg 8 July 2005 12:50 (UTC)
  • Delete - Sure, and the members of Tatu will all one day die. Does that mean I can write an article about that now? Because that would at least be interesting, which this is not. Aaron Brenneman 8 July 2005 14:09 (UTC)
  • Delete. Band is notable, but album is not yet released. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. AиDя01DTALKEMAIL July 8, 2005 14:36 (UTC)
  • Keep. The album has been announced with a specific release date and general details. It's not a matter of being a crystal ball and t.A.T.u. is a notable band. The article will be created again even if this early version of it is deleted. We gain nothing by deleting this article now. DS1953 July 8, 2005 15:59 (UTC)
  • Weak keep. I think the band is notable enough to warrant the article. Although WP is not a crystal ball, it seems futile to delete an article which will almost certainly be recreated within a couple of months. To get things in perspective, we already have an article on the 2020 Summer Olympics for example. Bobbis 8 July 2005 16:28 (UTC)
    • And creating a new actual article with actual content when the time comes will be SO hard. --Calton | Talk 8 July 2005 23:56 (UTC)
  • Merge with the Tatu article until there's really something to put here. -- BD2412 talk July 8, 2005 17:16 (UTC)
  • Delete. If delete fails, merge with Tatu. Jayjg (talk) 8 July 2005 21:05 (UTC)
  • Keep. More information about the album is to come forward soon. Besides, this band isn't obscure. They came in third in the 2003 Eurovision Song Contest, they had a hit single in the U.S. and they're one of the most popular Russian pop bands. The entry will get bigger and better as time goes on. ~ Chad1m July 8, 2005 22:36 (UTC)
  • Merge into the band's entry, they are quite notable. But I don't think albums deserve their own article until they are really out. --Etacar11 8 July 2005 23:45 (UTC)
  • Delete outright or, at best, Merge. --Calton | Talk 8 July 2005 23:56 (UTC)
  • Merge, Tatu are certainly a notable band, but that does not entitle them to use of the WP:crytal_ball. -Splash 9 July 2005 02:37 (UTC)
    • Watch out, the 2008 Summer Olympics have been using it too... Kappa 23:47, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
    • Yeah, I know. It gets used altogether too much! Still, it's a little much to create an article about a song, the success/failure/everything of which can't be known yet, and the Olympics which already have some history to a future event. -Splash 01:28, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. This duo isnt obscure - they've had a few hits under their belts already. JamesBurns 9 July 2005 03:32 (UTC)
    • The article under consideration here isn't about the duo. That's another article entirely. Uncle G 01:51, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Delete. It's not even released yet. RoySmith 23:04, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep. This can be added to as time progresses with singles, track listings etc. Capitalistroadster 10:59, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
    • It's not a question of Can this be improved, it's a question of Does this article meet the objective criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia? If you read Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, it should be clear that it does not. If you disagree with the official policy, lobby to get the policy changed, don't just ignore it because you like this group's music. RoySmith 13:51, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: no offence to anyone, but how many of you voters have actually read Wikipedia is not a crystal ball recently?!? Just wondering... GarrettTalk 12:47, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep: heaps of other albums are yet to be released, (see Category:Upcoming albums), if one were to delete this one, they would have to delete all the others too. Plus it will probably be recreated in the coming months anyway? We are wasting our time? secfan 06:18, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
  • Keep: same reasoning as secfan (Unsigned vote by Rudykog)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.