Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dane Lovett

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus. --Luigi30 (Taλk) 12:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dane Lovett

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I'm trying to help out a new user by listing this AfD. Per an email conversation, the subject of the article (Dane Lovett) doesn't feel he merits an article. I declined a speedy deletion because the subjects of articles don't have any special control over them, and it does assert notability in what might be considered a reasonable way. Whether or not it succeeds is another story. I'd say it's probably not notable, as the biggest accomplishment appears to be designing an album cover and being nominated for (but not winning) an ARIA award. Seems reasonable to me to delete it, but I want to get a broader consensus first. I'm not opposed to reconsidering the speedy deletion and closing early if we are unanimous here. Kafziel Talk 18:27, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Keep, as he seems pretty notable to me: [1]. Bearian 18:56, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
  • comment I can't judge the notability of the artist, but it seems odd that he would object to this article. Are we sure it was him?DGG 01:01, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
    • Well, this is the Internet, so it very well might not be. It's really beside the point, because even if it is him, that doesn't hold any weight. I'm just putting this up because a new user asked me to, regardless of who it was, and because I agree that this guy hasn't done much of note. Kafziel Talk 12:06, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mailer Diablo 11:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete I am of the opinion that if persons of borderline or marginal notability want their articles to be deleted, we should comply with their wishes. I know this isn't policy yet, and might never be, but it seems to me to be simple common courtesy. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:44, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I agree, but how do we know it's him? Abeg92contribs 17:18, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

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  • Borderline. I think this is borderline, such that if the subject objects, we should delete the article, but otherwise it can stay. Abeg92contribs 18:27, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Question: Just to clarify, what does everyone think the claim to fame is here? He doesn't seem to meet any of the standards for creative professionals at WP:BIO. I can't really find any non-trivial coverage of him or his work, or even a significant number of write-ups from critics, so I'm kind of at a loss to explain where the notability comes from. Is just being nominated for an ARIA enough to have an article? Seems like an interesting precedent. Kafziel Talk 18:53, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
The person's work either (a) has been displayed in a significant exhibition or as a monument (b) has won significant critical attention, or (c) is represented within the permanent collection of a significant gallery or museum of more than local significance.
I'd say to be nominated for an ARIA, his work has won signficiant critical attention.
Garrie 23:19, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. LexisNexis turns up some coverage from Australian newspapers, including at least two articles of which he's the main subject, so one could argue he meets the primary notability criterion. But in a borderline case like this, I think we should follow the subject's request for the article to be removed; this may not be a policy, but it's in keeping with the spirit of a presumption in favor of privacy. EALacey 20:16, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep I see I am in the minority here. However, when a Google search of the young man is done there does seem to be enough independent, and reliable, second – third and forth sources to make him not necessarily as popular as Picasso, but on the way to be truly noteworthy. Shoessss 22:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep for now. He is notable per the Lexis comment but that needs to be added to the article. If we know the subject is requesting deletion I would have no problem letting it go in this case. But until then, let's keep it and source it. JodyB talk 00:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete This is borderline--a nomination for an award would count a little towards notability. But this is one of the cases where BLP is relevant, and for borderline notability we can defer to the subject. If he actually gets an award this year, then he'll be notable whether he likes it or not. DGG 01:56, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment. Borderline notable as per WP:BLP. There are some references indicating that he is a rising Queensland artist. [2]. Album did not win an ARIA which were held last October [3] but Black Fingernails, Red Wine was the seventh best selling album in Australia last year. [4]. Capitalistroadster 02:33, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. -- Capitalistroadster 02:33, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete. One short article in a Gold Coast newspaper and a few passing mentions in other newspaper article doesn't make you notable under Wikipedia policies. Agree that being nominated for an award doesn't give you the fame necessary under wiki policies, even if the album is a best seller (which I presume was because of the music, not the artwork). Assize 21:26, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep If expanded, this article could be better. Sseballos 00:34, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Borderline Keep It seems this artist has won some minor awards, including 2006 Conrad Jupiters Art Prize, Gold Coast Art Centre Age and Overall winner of Springfest Art Prize (Gold Coast), Mosman Art Prize, Mosman Art Gallery, Mosman, although I couldn't find satisfactory secondary references for any of these. He also Won the Painting Category Qantas Spirit of Youth Awards 2005. And been a finalist in several more art competitions and awards. If secondary sources can be found, I think notability has been sufficiently established.--Takver 06:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Delete, regrettably, as a borderline article the subject doesnt want to want. This article is only linked to from Arts in Australia, so deleting the article does not disrupt Wikipedia. I'd prefer to err on the side of caution and privacy as the subject is young. John Vandenberg 13:24, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Keep Being ARIA nominated does it for me. However it needs to comply with WP:BLP and have everything strictly referenced, or removed (is noise.net a reliable source?). I can't see why he doesn't want the article which is in no way a negative portrayal.Garrie 23:13, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Keep, the ARIA work indicates notability enough for me. Whether M. Lovett wants their article deleted or not is completely irrelevant to this discussion. Lankiveil 03:51, 12 May 2007 (UTC).
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.