Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dance Schools in Oregon

This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete. See talk page for commentary on rationale. Fernando Rizo T/C 00:23, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dance Schools in Oregon

Page was created by new editor, whose only other page edit was to the Willamette Ballet Academy. At best, move to List of Dance Schools in Oregon, but I was under the impression that WP:NOT a directory. --Alan Au 07:58, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

• Keep, it's good behavior to create horizontal links between related topics. Kappa 08:38, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, move to List of Dance Schools in Oregon. Newager 10:50, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, move to List of Dance Schools in Oregon. Notable subject. Klonimus 22:01, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete schools are bad enough, but dance schools?!?!?! not notable. Dunc|☺ 12:31, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, per nominator. The policy being cited is: Wikipedia articles are not "Mere collections of internal links, except for disambiguation pages when an article title is ambiguous, and for structured lists to assist with the organisation of articles." Dpbsmith (talk) 14:32, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
  • How does that apply? Kappa 15:00, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
    • It didn't. Sorry. I've now edited my remark and it now cites the policy that applies. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:15, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete --Quasipalm 16:18, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nominator, Dpbsmith. Dottore So 17:09, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
• Keep, but not as a list, write something on, erm, dance schools in Oregon! Trollderella 17:36, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete this doesn't serve a useful purpose. I'd say categorify, but 4 articles doesn't justify a category either. -Splash 19:00, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nominator. I'd also point out to Trollderella that VFD isn't a suggestion box. To whom, exactly, are you directing your order to expand, rewrite, and otherwise completely overhaul this article? Soltak | Talk 19:02, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Anyone who's interested in writing or improving articles. I guess there are not very many of those hanging out at vfd? Trollderella 19:21, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Not about dance schools in Oregon, at least I'm not. If you think it's worthy of being altered in the way you outlined than alter it, you'd likely also change some votes. Otherwise, please just vote on the article as it stands not on what you hope the article might someday become. If the time arrives that someone is knowledgeable enough to write a comprehensive article on dance schools in Oregon, they would have my happy support in doing so. Until then, this is a meaningless directory. Soltak |

Talk 19:26, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

What an incredibly bitchy thing to say. Who the fuck are you to tell this person what they can and can't say? Fuck off and get a life!

In general, if an article appears to have potential, it should be kept. Most wikipedia articles start off as stubs and such, and people wander in off the internet to fix them. Sdedeo 20:01, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't have any problem with stubs, if written correctly they're great. The problem is this article isn't a stub, it's a list of links. While the possibility might exist for an actual article to be written on dance schools in Oregon, this isn't it. I can start an article about my non-notable local councilman because, potentially, he could become a senator. Potential isn't the issue. Soltak | Talk 21:38, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Agreed, I'm sorry you find my aspirations for this article inapropriate. Trollderella 20:21, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

• Delete. Just a list of links. ManoaChild 20:44, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
  • Hmmm Prefectures of Chad appears to be little more than a list of links, although it does have a nice map. Do you think that should be deleted too? Kappa 21:45, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
    • I know the question wasn't directed at me but I'm going to jump in anyway: Prefectures of Chad is a list, but it's a notable and encyclopedic one. Dance Schools in Oregon is nothing more than an incomplete directory. If you can quickly find the information in the yellow pages, it's not encyclopedic. Hardware Stores in Milwaukee and Plumbers in Little Rock don't exist for that reason. Soltak | Talk 21:48, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
      • I don't believe we have any articles about hardware stores in Milwaukee, correct me if I'm wrong. Kappa 21:51, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
        • "Hardware Stores in Milwaukee and Plumbers in Little Rock don't exist for that reason." I believe that was exactly my point. Soltak | Talk 21:56, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
          • OK I'm confused. Kappa 22:03, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
            • My point was that as those things don't exist, neither should Dance Schools in Oregon. I was arguing the fact that if one can find the information in the yellow pages, it shouldn't have an article. Soltak | Talk 22:05, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
    • Prefectures of Chad is basically an addendum to the article on Chad, and is thus worthwhile. No reasonable comparison is possible. ManoaChild 00:09, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nominator. Groeck 22:16, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete per nominator. Nandesuka 23:22, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Wikipedia is not a directory, web or otherwise. --23:38, 29 August 2005 (UTC) (Unsigned by Carnildo)
• Delete. This ain't Yahoo! or the Yellow Pages. --Calton | Talk 02:40, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, bad precedent to keep this. We'd then have all sorts of business listings for every location in the world. Zoe 07:39, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
• Keep as per nominator's WP:NOT argument. —RaD Man (talk) 07:55, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
  • So you're saying we should keep this because Wikipedia policy is not to keep it? Zoe 08:22, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
    • Familiarize yourself with what WP:NOT is. —RaD Man (talk) 08:26, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
      • I am completely familiar with what NOT says, thank you very much, and I would appreciate it if you would explain your vote. I see no reason to be uncivil. Zoe 20:57, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
        • My guess is that he's referring to WP:NOT paper (but nomination refers to WP:NOT directory). --Alan Au 05:51, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. Wikipedia is not the yellow pages. Gamaliel 08:58, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, pointlessly unencyclopedic.Gateman1997 23:48, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

• If wikipedia isn't a place for lists, then why has this page been allowed to remain? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_planets_in_Futurama —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.195.11.62 (talk • contribs) 09:42, 31 August 2005
  • 1-That's not advertising. 2-That's pop culture, not advertising. 3-Because one article exists does not require that other articles have to exist. Zoe 05:14, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

• • So inconsistency in policy and governing of Wikipedia is fine by you? This list of dance schools in Oregon is not advertising, as it doesn't contain any contact information about the listed schools, nor mentions anything about the schools other than the fact that they are in Oregon. All this page does is link to pages within the Wikipedia database. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.200.116.10 (talk • contribs) 08:53, 1 September 2005
    • If you think that similar articles shouldn't be here, then by all means list them for deletion, but please peruse WP:POINT. Zoe 18:53, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
      • Inconsistency is fine by me. Whenever there is no perfectly "bright line" and decisions must be made by human judgement, there will be inconsistency whenever things fall close to the borderline. If a cop stops you for speeding it is not usually helpful to tell the judge that there were other drivers going faster. Dpbsmith (talk) 19:05, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
        • But then we're not in a court of law talking about a speeding ticket, are we? No. We're on wikipedia talking about the fact that this is all subjective and up to the whims of a clique of wikipedia editors who for some strange reason think the list of fictional planets on Futurama are more deserving of mention than the very real dance schools in the very real state of Oregon. Trekkie convention, anyone? And on the topic of speeding tickets: if it can be proven that the police officer was indeed singling a person out it is actually feasible that charges could be dropped. This sort of thing happens all the time. Maybe someone can make a list for you about the times it has happened, and then you can request the list be deleted as it relates to something in the real world and not a cartoon, hence it is not substantial enough for you.
  • I apologize for wikipedia being inconsistent and wasting your time. Kappa 20:54, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment. To the anon commenter(s): did you mean to vote "Keep/Rename" then? We could debate the merits of consistency indefinitely, but this really isn't the place for that discussion. --Alan Au 05:47, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in an undeletion request). No further edits should be made to this page.