Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dan Mitrione

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Mailer Diablo 16:23, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dan Mitrione

It makes many specific claims and insuations about an historical figure without providing footnotes or source quotes. It is also poorly written, with the section Personal Life offering scant information about Mitrione's actual life. It violates NPOV in that the only associated information is in external links that are from ideological critics of U.S. government policies that Mitrione was allegedly implementing. Bias is shown by the inclusion of a See Also link to a "List of U.S. foreign interventions since 1945," which has no information about Mitrione. I elaborated on this in the article Discussion. Nicmart 03:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

• Weak delete - definitely needs more sourcing on some of these claims, and even then may not warrant a separate article to one on American operations during the Cold War (or something of that sort. BigHaz 03:53, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
• Undecided definitely fails WP:NPOV, lead sentence "...alleged torture expert..." is uncited. Needs {{cleanup}}, {{ExpertVerify}}, {{Disputed}}, {{ActiveDiscuss}}, {{POV-check}}. As WP:n00b, unclear if the combination of the above qualifies for deletion as a kickoff for a fresh start. — MrDolomite | Talk 03:59, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. After all, Dan Mitrione is well known [1], and is the "hero" of the Costa-Gavras film "State of Siege". I see this AfD as an attempt to rewrite/delete a piece of "dirty" US history.--Tilman 05:59, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete: I acctually do not beleive that this is POV, but this individual in the cold war context is not notable. He doesn't appear to have been extremelt high ranking and thousands of people serving the US government have tortured or assisted in torturing others. We cant have an article on all of them.--Musaabdulrashid 08:33, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
• Send to Cleanup: There is enough evidence out there that a thoughtful and less motivated person could construct an article. POV is not a reason for deletion, by itself, although "inherently POV" is. The article needs TLC, but not deletion (and no one's trying to cover up America's dark history...that kind of claim is just plain silly). Geogre 13:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Obscure but notable historical trivia that deserves retention. Keep. rootology 06:23, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per rootology. -- DS1953 ^talk 00:06, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I just wanted to see if Wikipedia had any credibility. No credible publication could possibly keep an article as laughably unsupported by evidence as this one. Wikipedia is as bad as its reputation, so if someone wants to remove the deletion notice, it is of no consequence to me. It was just an experiment. I can always refer people to the Mitrione article as evidence of the sham that Wikipedia is. Nicmart 03:01, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

• Sent to Cleanup - worthwhile article just needs some help. Orangehead 16:45, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
• Delete and start again. There is definitely an article in this story but it needs to be put together, from scratch, using reliable news sources. 'Send to cleanup' is no solution because with the backlog there it will probably never emerge. We cannot keep controversial, unsourced articles on here in the hope that one day they will be cleaned up. BlueValour 02:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per Rootology. Mallanox 19:22, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep and clean up. Tag "disputed" pending sourcing. DrL 20:11, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.