Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dan Kimball

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep and cleanup article, so tagged. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dan Kimball

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The pastor of a local church doesn't meet the notability threshold; sorry. While this person is presented as "part of" a movement, no substantiation is given for the existence of said movement, nor is it asserted that the subject is a significant leader. Has been prodded for substantiation for several months. Apparently created by single-purpose account. P L E A T H E R _talk 20:26, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, he is quite well known as being one of a handful of "founders" of the movement, the (Emerging Church), and he has authored a number of important books in that space. There is currently a great bit of debate about the movement (which leads a number of vandals to fight over pages like this one), in which Kimball stands as the key conservative figure, along with Mark Driscoll. I do not agree with deletion of this article.--Lyonscc (talk) 01:02, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

• Keep Although the article isn't great, Dan Kimball is one of the main figures in the (Emerging Church) and is the most discussed representatives of that strain. He is the author of several books that are widely read in Emerging circles, including "the Emerging Church," which was one of the books that was most influential in popularizing the term. Additionally, there are now several "Vintage Faith" churches that are inspired by his writings and methodology. While the article needs lots and lots of work, the guy is certainly notable. I think that this article should stay. WinstonKap (talk) 21:49, 24 January 2008 (UTC)WinstonKap

I just wanted to add that I edited the article to better show Dan Kimball's relationship to the Emerging Church Movement. WinstonKap (talk) 19:49, 31 January 2008 (UTC)WinstonKap

Wikipedia has many entries about authors and Kimball has written several books and is known in the emerging church and evangelical church movement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by INBY (talk • contribs) 05:23, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete I wish we could accept vague assurances that this person is "quite well known", but the standards of WP:BIO are higher than that. Even as rewritten, the article only asserts that he is "known to be part of" and "one of the earliest members" of said movement--once again, vagueness. As established in WP:BIO, here are the accepted criteria for notability:
  • The person has received significant recognized awards or honors.
  • The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in his or her specific field.

Please understand that I haven't the slightest axe to grind here: I have no church or ideological ties. I came across this page at random, and was struck by the lack of substantiation. Nothing has emerged yet to change that. -- P L E A T H E R _talk 21:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Keeper | 76 20:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

• Kind of surprised weak keep - Kimball does appear to have a number of publications that have received some coverage, and I've found him being quoted about the Emerging church movement in sources such as the New York Times, San Diego Union Tribune (which refers to him as one of the movement's pioneers) and various other media outlets. He seems to slip just above the wire, considering that. Tony Fox (arf!) 21:29, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

KEEP - I came to the article searching for information about him. I have been reading articles from traditional Christians, who consider his "emergent church" ideas to be very controversial. He is the author of the book entitled "The emergent church" Many others beside those who agree with his thinking are interested in finding out who he is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MattDiClemente (talk • contribs) 01:51, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

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