Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Damaine Radcliff (3rd nomination)

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The result was no consensus. W.marsh 19:44, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Damaine Radcliff

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Delete prev by AfD. Article recreated. Claim to notability hasn't improved since last deleted and lacks references. Fails WP:BIO and WP:N. Horrorshowj 00:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Delete per Horrorshowj. —Signed by KoЯnfan71 ^{My Talk} _{Sign Here!} 00:25, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

• Speedy delete per CSD#A7 "No claim of notability"--Victor falk 01:16, 11 October 2007 (UTC) wrong thread--Victor falk 02:43, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Agreed, not the most notable actor in the world, but he has made two major movies -- billed third in one of them at IMDB that was distributed by Touchstone, so this is not direct-to-video -- and appeared in episodes of two well-known network television programmes. For the movies, one required him to play basketball and one to dance, so this man is not a one-trick pony; I regard the films AND the television as evidence of notability in more than one medium, which tipped the balance for me. I did a little searching and found one reference that I'm going to add; yes, there are not huge amounts of references available, and I do understand why this got nominated for deletion. Accounting4Taste 01:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
• Keep per my reasoning (as Ispy1981) in the first nomination.--Sethacus 02:48, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
• Weak Delete He is interviewed at the premier of "Step Up" and the video of that is on about.com so I believe he was actually in the movie which was in theaters. But that's about it excpet for his imdb entry. He doesn't appear in the press photos and despite the fact that his name is listed THIRD on iMdB and that fact was used as a reason by Charlene to keep the entry previously, he is NOT listed on the poster for the film at all, while four other actors names are listed. Also his name does not appear at ALL at the end of the trailer which is available here while other actors names do appear. And the bio listed by Ispy1981 on "episodeworld.com" is just copied right from imdb which is unreliable. All that information tells me that he did not have a significant role in this movie and does not meet WP:BIO and is self promoting by writing his own bio, giving himself third billing and creating and re-creating a wikipedia entry to legitimize himself. Since I have not seen the movie I add 'weak' to my delete suggestion, but I don't see evidence that he meets WP:BIO. Worldfamousdirector 04:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment I see your points and respect them. However, 1) He didn't give himself 3rd billing in Step Up. IMDb lists him in 3rd billing, and he didn't create the film listing 2) The IMDb bio could've been a copy of the link I provided in the first Afd. 3) The article, at this stage, was written by an editor with, AFAIK, no ties to Radcliff, so vanity could be ruled out. 4) He also had a minor but pivotal role in Glory Road. The reviews I've seen speak about his character and list him (Radcliff) by name.--Sethacus 19:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment RE:3rd billing. IMDB listing order can be set by any anonymous users just like other info on there. While I don't think that Damaine submitted the original listing on imdb, neither of us know who set that order. The Internet Archive shows that for a year the original cast listing was in alphabetical order and did not have Damaine listed third. It's also clear that the official poster and trailer didn't list him at all. Whether or not he is the third most important character is debatable I guess, but the poster and trailer imply that he was not. Worldfamousdirector 08:35, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

• Weak delete: No notable roles. --SeizureDog 21:54, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

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