Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daithí Doolan (2nd nomination)
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Regardless of coverage or not, city councilmen from major cities--in this case, the capital and by far the dominant city in Ireland--are inherently notable. Blueboy96 14:29, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Daithí Doolan
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Recreation of previously deleted page. [1] As per previous deletion: "An unsuccessful candidate in the 2007 Irish election who does not meet WP:BIO For politicians this is: >>Politicians who have held international, national or statewide/provincewide office, and members and former members of a national, state or provincial legislatures.[5] Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage.[6] Just being an elected local official does not guarantee notability.<< Doolan doesn't meet any of these criteria and google [2] only shows entries related to his unsuccessful candidacy and to his work as a city councillor - which is not in itself notable." Subject doesn't appear to have done anything of note since then. Valenciano (talk) 20:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
- Keep as well as being a serving politician he has courted a lot of controversy due the murder of Joseph Rafferty and has had a lot of press coverage. BigDunc (talk) 20:40, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
- Not notable. He's mentioned in passing in sources about Rafferty not in his own right. See WP:NOT#NEWS "When a person is associated with only one event, such as for a particular relatively unimportant crime or for standing for governmental election, consideration needs to be given to the need to create a standalone article on the person. If reliable sources only cover the person in the context of a particular event, then a separate biography may be unwarranted." Also see WP:BIO above, being a serving politician is only relevant if he is a member of a national, state or provincial legislature. Dublin City Council just doesn't cut it, I'm afraid. Valenciano (talk) 21:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
- Keep as for BigDunc.--Padraig (talk) 20:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
- Keep a serving politician in Dublin City Council, very out spoken which has courted a lot of controversy. One of the main spokes persons against the proposed incinerator a Poolbeag, which is only one of a number of campaigns I know off. --Domer48 (talk) 21:48, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
- As above, Dublin City Council isn't a national, state or provincial legislature so that is irrelevant. I've no doubt that numerous politicians can boast of similar campaigns but that doesn't qualify them for inclusion. Valenciano (talk) 21:51, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. -- Bláthnaid 00:37, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per WP:CSD#G4 as recreation of deleted material, otherwise Strong delete because Doolan clearly fails WP:BIO. The article makes two claims to notability: that Doolan is a member of Dublin City Council and that he was an unsuccessful candidate at the Irish general election, 2007. WP:BIO says clearly that "Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability", and those are the only claims made in the article for Doolan's notability. The sentence in WP:BIO continues "although such a person may be notable for other reasons besides their political careers alone", and notability on those ground would be assessed in the normal way by the test in WP:BIO#Basic_criteria, requiring that he be the subject of substantial coverage in independent sources. Several "keep" !voters above have made claims that Dolan is notable on these grounds, but the only references in the article are external links to Sinn Fein and to Sinn Fein's local organisation in Dublin South-East, and no further evidence has been offered at AfD of substantial coverage which could provide evidence of notability. So far as I can see, the "keep" arguments here have no basis at all in the notability guidelines, and amount to WP:ILIKEIT. I am surprised that experienced editors such as the keep !voters do not appear to be familiar with WP:BIO. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:42, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
- PS This article was first created as one of dozens of short articles on Sinn Fein candidates for the 2007 general election: see User talk:BrownHairedGirl/Archive/Archive_006#Category:Sinn_F.C3.A9in_politicians. The recreated article is almost identical to the version deleted at the previous AfD. (Note that only admins can read the deleted text). In the discussion in the archives of my talk page it is noted that Doolan was a member of Sinn Féin's Ard Comhairle (or national executive committee, see Sinn_Féin#Organisational_structure), distinguishing him from the other unsuccessful candidates. That may be the case, but holding party office does not confer notability, which would still need to be established through Doolan being the subject of substantial coverage in independent sources. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:03, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
- Keep on the basis of member ship on the city concil of a really important city. We accept that as noability intheUS, and I dont see why Dublin would be different. DGG (talk) 04:05, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
- WP:BIO#Politicians point 2: says "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage.6 Generally speaking, mayors are likely to meet this criterion, as are members of the main citywide government or council of a major metropolitan city". Please do read the the linked footnote, which says that "Generally, a person who is "part of the enduring historical record" will have been written about, in depth, independently in multiple history books on that field, by historians. A politician who has received "significant press coverage" has been written about, in depth, independently in multiple news feature articles, by journalists." No evidence has been offered that Doolan "been written about, in depth, independently in multiple news feature articles, by journalists". --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
- Keep. Here are a couple of examples of significant press coverage, where the articles are about him rather than just giving him passing mentions.[3][4] Also there are plenty more references available in the Google news archive, some of which are just passing references but many give him a couple of paragraphs. Phil Bridger (talk) 12:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
- Keep - municipal councillors in cities in Dublin's league are almost certainly notable, and evidence has been provided of meeting WP:N with regards to coverage by reliable third party sources. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 05:18, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
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