Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daigo Umehara (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo 15:50, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Daigo Umehara

Well, it's been a little past a month since the last AfD. I did my best to clean up the cruft, but his main claim to fame is a video once hosted by Shoryuken.com. I tried to make the case that if Daigo's article stays, SRK's article needs to stay as well, but the argument didn't take. Therefore, I strongly suggest this article be deleted for failure of WP:NN, particularly the portion about being known outside a narrow interest group, which the fighting game scene definitely is. Claims were made in the previous AfD of Daigo being a celebrity in Japan; this time, I want to see multiple sources which verify him as such. Danny Lilithborne 09:52, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

• Weak Keep, I didn't expect this, but a quick Google perusal seems to back up claims that the subject is a minor celebrity in Japan, apparently on par with other Internet celebrities. The article really needs some reliable English sources, though. -- H·G (^words/_works) 18:56, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment The majority of Google hits are either Street Fighter videos or Street Fighter discussion. Danny Lilithborne 21:05, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Comment: That's not surprising since he's famous for playing Street Fighter games. I'd say it makes sense that the majority are that. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 22:11, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
      • Comment That's why I think the article should be deleted. SF is the definition of a narrow interest group. Danny Lilithborne 22:12, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
        • Comment, I see your point, but I think the argument is that he's known for his SF escapades, not that his fame is strictly limited to SF hardcore fans. In other words, he appears to be notable among fighting-game fans in general, not just SF fans. If this is true, of course, it needs to be better established than the unverified opening sentences serve to do. -- H·G (^words/_works) 23:40, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep He is a legend in Japan and in the US -- User:kofman 13:56, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment Source please? He is certainly not a legend in the U.S., except to competitive fighting game players (a dying breed). Danny Lilithborne 20:57, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletions. -- ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 21:03, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per HumbleGod. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 21:03, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
• Weak keep; he has a page on the Japanese Wikipedia, and that implies he's notable in Japan, since :ja tends to have stricter inclusion policies than we do here. — Haeleth Talk 21:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
• keep please he is legendary in japan and on japanese wikipedia too Yuckfoo 22:15, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
• definite keep - the most notable competitive fighting game player ever. I surely needn't grab many of the websites where he is featured to prove this; Google will do just fine: (about 110,000 results). —msikma <user_talk:msikma> 13:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

• PS: he is on the Japanese Wikipedia as well, so that means it would be against WP:NPOV to delete this, as we may not favor the interests or views of a particular nation. Saying that although he is not notable to the English-speaking Wikipedians doesn't mean he's not notable to the Japanese-speaking Wikipedians. —msikma <user_talk:msikma> 13:19, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

• Perhaps one of them should rewrite the page. I'd withdraw my nomination in that case. Right now it's still too crufty. Danny Lilithborne 19:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

• Agreed that the page needs to be rewritten. Daigo is also decently good at the Guilty Gear series having won twice at Evo. His reputation in Japan is quite strong, he's contributed to several strategy guides there (Yoga Book Hyper which comes with the Insanity DVD). Also featured on the Tougeki Super Battle Opera DVDs quite prominently. kofman 19:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

• Keep this is a notable Japanese gamer, having niche importance is not a reason to delete. Yamaguchi先生 23:11, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per discussion. - Wickning1 13:56, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
• Keep If he is on the japanese wiki (which would know better on whether or not he's notable) then he should be kept on EN as well.  ALKIVAR™ 02:06, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.